Tyson v lewis... - Page 4

htmonaro · 10-23-2010, 05:57 PM

I have never been captivated by any of lewis's performances,he doesn't posses any special carisma at all,I will conceed he may not have avoided tyson as they were on completly different paths,and their timelines didn't permit,Tyson was in terrible form against buster,but how special was busters performance,I don't see lewis possesing that kind of spark,edge,etc,he's like the klits,boring jabfests,nothing explosive or exiting.

kel · 10-23-2010, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by teke

Tyson was in absolutely terrible form in the Buster fight. He had no head movement whatsoever, his footwork was sloppy and stamina wasnt what it could have been - he copped a massive beating, that was in Tysons peak years but it was nowhere near peak form

Bit like a rachorse that has a bad run then bounces back to form hey

Every fighter has excuses from time to time, but why is it genuinely considered by and large that Mikes always are more relevant than any other boxers excuses at a given point. I think because he was built up so much people don't want to believe another human being could possible conquer the great Irin Mike.

What's Tyson excuse getting beating to a pulp by Holy in 1996? He was a great looking specimen at no more than 30yrs of age etc

Francis75 · 10-23-2010, 07:56 PM

I wonder what would have happened if the much anticipated Tyson-Holyfield match up in 1991 had occurred.

Johnny Boy · 10-23-2010, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DonBoxer

Well Lewis was definitely not prime in the McCall fight . Tyson in the Buster fight was much closer to his peek never mind prime.

As for the Tua fight Lewis done everything right against Tua.

If it wasn't prime Lewis in the McCall fight, was it prime Lewis when he got stopped by Rahman?

Tyson's prime ended before the Buster fight. He hardly trained at all for Buster. At the time, Tommy Hearns said he'd fight Tyson if Tyson would train for him the way he did for Buster.

The Tyson that walked through Spinks and demolished Holmes (who later as a 45yo went the distance with Holy) was prime Tyson.

Francis75 · 10-23-2010, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Boy

If it wasn't prime Lewis in the McCall fight, was it prime Lewis when he got stopped by Rahman?

Tyson's prime ended before the Buster fight. He hardly trained at all for Buster. At the time, Tommy Hearns said he'd fight Tyson if Tyson would train for him the way he did for Buster.

The Tyson that walked through Spinks and demolished Holmes (who later as a 45yo went the distance with Holy) was prime Tyson.

Holmes was 42 when he fought Holyfield in 1992 and it was a very very easy win for Holy. Yes Tyson walked through Spinks but Spinks was a light heavy and Holmes hadn't fought for 22 months before the Tyson fight and was coming off 2 defeats to a great but blown up light heavy in Spinks.

kruger · 10-23-2010, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sox

To use the fight between them in 2002 to rank their ability is stupid.

Hell, Tyson was past his best in 1996 when he fought Holyfield, in 2002 he was just crap.

Lewis was clearly past his best in 2002, however no where near as much as Tyson was.

Both fighters at their peak, Tyson wins a UD.

I can accept tyson winning but not a UD

I think he wins by ko or not at all in this one.

Sox · 10-23-2010, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kruger

I can accept tyson winning but not a UD

I think he wins by ko or not at all in this one.

I'm ok with either way, but I doubt Tyson would lose.

teke · 10-23-2010, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kel

Bit like a rachorse that has a bad run then bounces back to form hey

Every fighter has excuses from time to time, but why is it genuinely considered by and large that Mikes always are more relevant than any other boxers excuses at a given point. I think because he was built up so much people don't want to believe another human being could possible conquer the great Irin Mike.

What's Tyson excuse getting beating to a pulp by Holy in 1996? He was a great looking specimen at no more than 30yrs of age etc

There was a significant difference in his fighting style on the Buster night to when he was preparing properly. Tyson was never ever at his best again so no he cant be compared to a racehorse returning to form.

Alot of fighters have quit the sport 10 years after they first start. Tyson at 96 looked great but he was crap compared to peak Mike.

My mind cant comprehend anyone beating Mike at his best lol.

darkhorse · 10-24-2010, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Francis75

I wonder what would have happened if the much anticipated Tyson-Holyfield match up in 1991 had occurred.

....are you sure you don't mean 1990...before Buster Douglas?...regardless...that's the fight that should've happened....Holyfield had been number one contender for over 18 months by then...Iron Mike didn't want a bar of him....sadly for Mike he was at the start of his spiral downwards at that stage....I believe Evander would've had the edge then too.

crippet · 10-24-2010, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ipswich express

To say Lewis avoided Tyson like the plague before he was done is pretty ironic when you consider Tyson paid him step aside money while holding the WBC belt. Good topic though lads and some great opinions. I could see it going either way but would lean towards Lewis.

Yeah - I remember Tyson paying Lewis $4Million step asside money - I also remember Tyson saying he would have never of been able to beat Lewis after Lewis KO'd him

Mr M Mauler · 10-25-2010, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dynamite

prime Tyson destroys prime Lewis IMO with a crippling left hook and Lewis goes down!

JOSEY WALES · 10-25-2010, 05:09 AM

Fighters mature at a different rate ( physically and technically i'n boxing terms ), Tyson was a boy trapped i'n a mans body early doors , Mike had the early advantage over Lenny earlier i'n their respective careers but Lewis caught up and then overtook Mike , if they had fought before 89 then Mikes kicks Lennies arse , any later then the reverse happens IMO .

darkhorse · 10-28-2010, 05:08 AM

the sad part of that era is the Lewis and Bowe never clashed...(in the pro's)

darkhorse · 10-28-2010, 05:10 AM

Lewis done a Calzaghe and got blokes at the back end of their career.

JOSEY WALES · 10-28-2010, 07:37 AM

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Lewis done a Calzaghe and got blokes at the back end of their career.

Yea like Lacy and Kessler were well past their sell by dates aye mate ? Lol shit man I love blokes like you and the crap that flows out of your pie holes .

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htmonaro Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 494 vCash: 500	Re: Tyson v lewis... I have never been captivated by any of lewis's performances,he doesn't posses any special carisma at all,I will conceed he may not have avoided tyson as they were on completly different paths,and their timelines didn't permit,Tyson was in terrible form against buster,but how special was busters performance,I don't see lewis possesing that kind of spark,edge,etc,he's like the klits,boring jabfests,nothing explosive or exiting.
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JOSEY WALES Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 6,104 vCash: 1000	Re: Tyson v lewis... Fighters mature at a different rate ( physically and technically i'n boxing terms ), Tyson was a boy trapped i'n a mans body early doors , Mike had the early advantage over Lenny earlier i'n their respective careers but Lewis caught up and then overtook Mike , if they had fought before 89 then Mikes kicks Lennies arse , any later then the reverse happens IMO .
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