Rate the Chances of these European Heavies

[sadlittleboy]

RobertHelenius-Slow, Limited but a hell of a finisher, could be very, very fun to watch
Kubrat Pulev -I was big on this guy to begin with but his opponents do seem to be getting better. Talented but seems like he might be the next in a long line of "decent but not great" heavyweights
Dennis Boytsov-Talented but his career may end up falling down on account of his injuries =/
Vyacheslav Glazkov-I like the look of this guy but I'm not sure on how durable he is as a pro, Bahktov seemed to hurt him a time or two, very talented though
Magomed Abdusalamov-Looks powerful but he really needs to make a move now! At 30 years old and after 9 months out of the ring he can't afford to waste time!

Deontay Wilder-Garbage. They will keep feeding him patsies rather than giving him development fights which is a huge shame. He should be in with the likes of Zack Page not Reed, Alexander etc. Great potential that could well end up ruined by mismanagement.
Tor Hammer-Never going to be a threat
Tyson Fury-Developing very nicely in all honesty, needs a few more fights before stepping into the European title fray but looks pretty good for a guy so young.
Derrick Chisora-Seems to have lost his desire for the sport, shame but no great loss. He was never going to be amazing.
Tom Dallas-The loss to Price sorted him out, maybe a British title holder one day but nothing more.
David Price-A lot of potential, being matched much better than Wilder. If his chin holds up when he's tagged he could well be the next real challenger from Britain. Love his straight right hand

Alexander Dimitrenko-No better than European level, I fancy Sprott to give him hell at the weekend actually
Francesco Pianeta-Draw with Sosnowski says it all. Although he's talented I doubt he'll ever be a serious threat to any top 15 heavyweight.
Timur Ibragimov-Not going to get beyond European level
Albert Sosnowski-I like Albert but he'll never get another major (european or world) title shot
Alexander Ustinov-Big, fat slow and useless.
Oleh Platov-Very "decent" but no better than European level
Neven Pajkic-Getting on a bit, will need to make his move in the next 2 years maximum
Edmund Gerber-Big fan, he's developing slowly but has the time to do so, very young and able
Ondrej Pala-Although he might pick up the European title one day that'll be the best that he can hope for
Andrzej Wawrzyk-I love the look of this guy a real fighter to keep an eye on.
Mariusz Wach-Huge bloke, developing his power well but he's 31 and will, like many others NEED to step it up sooner rather than later.
Yakup Saglam-Garbage, beat nobodies and is now 35. Says it all

Jarno Rosberg-Nothing special
Lucian Bot-One fight in over a year would suggest...he's not going to make it
Erkan Teper-Decently impressive so far, would like to see him step up his competition a bit in 2012
Krzysztof Zimnoch-Yet to fight anyone of note
Bogdan Dinu-Very talented, quick hands, good movement, one of the key names on this list IMO
Michael Wallisch-Impressed so far, need to see what he'll go on to
Herve Hubeux-Very young (still) though needs to improve...A LOT to be anything at all

[Brickhaus]

Just goes to show how slowly these heavies tend to develop. Almost a year after the original post, and we're basically still in the same place. Pulev hasn't stepped up while Helenius has, and a couple of guys everyone said were garbage (Saglam and Dallas) lost, but not much changed.

As for the 'deep in the ranks' list, I'm with sadlittleboy that Bogdan Dinu has looked good from what little I've seen of him.

[RazzAxx]

Originally Posted by Brickhaus

Just goes to show how slowly these heavies tend to develop. Almost a year after the original post, and we're basically still in the same place. Pulev hasn't stepped up while Helenius has, and a couple of guys everyone said were garbage (Saglam and Dallas) lost, but not much changed.

As for the 'deep in the ranks' list, I'm with sadlittleboy that Bogdan Dinu has looked good from what little I've seen of him.

Good points. Helenius has added an impressive left uppercut to his variety of finishing punches during the past year or more like 6 months maybe, and is improving physically too. To me he is the most improved fighter on that list.

Besides Helenius, Tyson Fury still seems to be improving, but at slower pace maybe. Haven't seen David Price, but the Brits seem to be enthusiastic about him based on the forum writings, anyways.

Pulev, Boytsov, Dimitrenko have not done anything remarkable after last autumn and especially Dimitrenko seems to be in a bit of a limbo at the moment?

I don't know much about rest of the guys on the list - except that Rosberg is just a doped up pub fighter with bitch tits and Janne Katajisto is a small, fat man. Neither of these two will be anything special in boxing.

[KINGOFTHE1ROUND]

RobertHelenius: Big fucking moose. He has good power,hits with combos. He is a threat to Wlad Klitschko...in 3 years that is.

DennisBoytsov:Not exactly the white Mike Tyson because he has less power and less skill and is moving along very slowly. I think he's been fighting for 35 years now and I havent heard his name once on TV.He would be killed by either Klitschko brother now. He could be a paper champ but I doubt he will be Lineal Champion. He looks like one good shot could turn out his lights.

Deontay Wilder: Very early for this kid right now. He has potential,good head on his shoulders but it's hard to gauge him because he's only fought bar brawlers,taxi drivers,UPS delivery men etc.

Tor Hammer: My personal favorite. He's from my neighborhood. He has good speed,dedication and knowledge of Boxing history. College educated too. He could be the next Holyfield hopefully but who knows. He also needs to start fighting upper tier guys soon. He really only has Holyfield type power but he could do it. Apparently he is a blackbelt in JiuJutsu,hopefully he wont get KO'd in boxing and go over to fruity UFC with fat bald asshole Dana White.

Tyson Fury: Good character for boxing for sure. OK hand speed. Less power than I would like for someone his size. A bit tubby usually. He thinks he is two years away,by that time Vitali will be long gone and Wlad will have every belt. He has the power to KO Wlad but then again,so does everyone. He has that sort of People's champion feel about him.

Derrick Chisora: He's a fat woman beater with no heart or stamina. He has no shot at anything ever. He's a real bum.


Alexander Dimitrenko: Big Russian prick who was knocked down by Eddie Chambers? Yeah right! This guy thought he would be good just because his name has 140 letters. It takes more than being 11 feet tall to be in this sport ya big Russian dog! Or German or whatever the fuck he is!


Albert Sosnowski: Polish bum who threw 3 punches in his entire undeserved "shot" at Vitali. This guy couldn't beat an egg. Couldn't win a coin toss.

My real hope is for George Foreman III. George sr. said that his son would probably be getting some TV fights next year.Let's hope ESPN or something because we all know HBO doesn't air heavyweight fights anymore.

[Cachibatches]

Wow, its back. Thanks for bumping, guys.

Now we have Artur Szpilka to add!

[kostya by ko]

Artur Szpilka is fighting on October 15.

[Vysotsky]

Originally Posted by Brickhaus

Just goes to show how slowly these heavies tend to develop. Almost a year after the original post, and we're basically still in the same place. Pulev hasn't stepped up while Helenius has, and a couple of guys everyone said were garbage (Saglam and Dallas) lost, but not much changed.

As for the 'deep in the ranks' list, I'm with sadlittleboy that Bogdan Dinu has looked good from what little I've seen of him.

+ 1 . Glazkov, Dinu, Szpilka are the guys with the most potential with under 10 fights and my favourites to watch.

David Price has more potential than guys like Fury & Wilder. I do think that if Price's chin can hold up or if he can learn to protect it he could be the best of the HW giants.

[Vysotsky]

Originally Posted by kostya by ko

Just a follow up ...

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Tall - 20 years old. Did ok against Zhang Zhilei recently in China.

I was hoping to see Dychko at the Asian Championships and Worlds but looks like Ospanov got the #1 spot for Kazakhstan and ended up winning the 2011 Asian Games. Here's his semi win over Zhang.

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[kostya by ko]

Originally Posted by Vysotsky

+ 1 . Glazkov, Dinu, Szpilka are the guys with the most potential with under 10 fights and my favourites to watch.

David Price has more potential than guys like Fury & Wilder. I do think that if Price's chin can hold up or if he can learn to protect it he could be the best of the HW giants.

[Cachibatches]

Some updates:


THE FIRST TIER
Robert Helenius - the head of the class, graduated to contender. Beaten three ex-champs and a handful of other decent names. Injuries are a problem, and some still see problems with speed and technique, but with his size, chin and two fisted power, he's going to do fine.

Kubrat Pulev- Reached a kind of peak in beating Guinn, followed it up with a good win over Vidoz, and then took steps backwards in his next three opponents. Still has all the skills and the size, but seems to fight at the level of his competition. Even his wins are stinkers, and would do well to pick it up a notch, if for no other reason, than just from a marketing point of view.

DennisBoytsov- de-railed due to injured hand, just back today for the first time this year. Time to hit or sit with Dennis. His management claim that we have not yet seen what he is capable of because of the hand- lets put him in there with somebody worth a damn and see.

Vyacheslav Glazkov- Frustrating. He has all of the skills and got a good win over Bahtov, but has cancelled four fights since. Why? Is it the opponents cancelling? Is there an injury? Anybody know what is going on? Supposedly fighting in October. Lets hope this one comes off as this guy is the truth...when he fights.

Magomed Abdusalamov- No progress. Just got a new promoter and has two fights scheduled, but really just let a year go by.

JOINING THE FIRST TIER

Mariusz Wach- Graduated to first tier. Knock out against the oft beaten Clones Collosus getting him more attention than he perhaps deserves. Still, he has improved his power, so let's see what comes of it.

Bogdan Dinu- Lot of guys are hyping him because of his amateur credentials, but he has had only 6 fights in 4 years, against bottom of the barrel competition. Does he want to be a professional fighter? The division sure could use a skilled man like this. Does anyone know why the inactivity?

ARTUR SZPILKA- Out of jail and getting a lot of buzz. Won an important fist fight against Hadziogonovic, and caught the eye of Lexxox Lewis, who recently had good things to say.


MIDDLE OF THE PACK GUYS

Alexander Dimitrenko- Embarrased himself today. Struggles with Sosnowski and Sprott show that he is not a contender.

Francesco Pianeta- Congratulations for beating cancer. Fighting again soon.

Timur Ibragimov- Loss to Mormeck means his career as a contender is virtually done.

Albert Sosnowski- Knock out loss to Dimentrenko says it all.

Alexander Ustinov- Same place as he was last year.

Oleh Platov- Same place as he was last year.

Neven Pajkic- Same place as he was last year.

Edmund Gerber- Shown some power, but has a long way to go.

Ondrej Pala- Just beat Mazakin...again. Same place as he was last year and going in circles.

Andrzej Wawrzyk- Baby steps forward. Recently beat Andreas Sidon and Devin Vargas, for whatever it is worth.

Vladimir Virchis - done.

Yakup Saglam- Lost to Wallisch

Michael Wallisch- Graduates to middle of the pack with win over much more experienced Saglam

THE "DO YOU KNOW THIS GUY?" LIST

Jarno Rosberg- Juiced to beat Juho Haapoja and was caught, what does that say?

Lucian Bot- Got rolled in prizefighter. Simplythebest called it exactly right.

Murad Khalidov- Hasn't fought in over a year.

Vladimir Tereshkin- Big Russian had one fight in America, and promptly disappeared. No longer appears to be an active fighter.

Andreas Gustafsson- I am not sure, but I think this guy is is actually an MMA fighter. Has disappeared from boxing. Maybe he went back to MMA.

Arnold Gjergjaj- Continues to fight guys that make Deontay Wilder's opponents look good.

Erkan Teper-Making the rounds. No impressive wins.

Krzysztof Zimnoch- With an amateur win over Deontay Wilder to make him notable, he is in the same place as he was last year professionally.

Jerome Le Banner- Someone mentioned he used to be a kick boxer, has not made a splash at heavy

Nikolay Israelyan- one fight in 2010, 1 in 2011, never fought anyone with a winning record.

Alexey Soloviev- 38 years of age and never beat anyone with a winning record. 1 fight in 2011

Arild Haugen- Former bobybuilder and World's strongest man type disappeared. Did he go back to weight lifting?

Leif Larsen- NFL footballer remains undefeated but hopeless as a contender. Seems to have some power, and could be good for some fun fights.

Newfel Ouatah--- No fight sin 2011

Matteo Modugno- five fights in 2011, all no-hopers. At least he fights often.

Janne Katajisto- fought a couple of fellow no-hopers in 2011.

Dennis Rasmussen-- same place as he was last year

Sirhei Supronovich - same place as he was last year

Herve Hubeux- Fought three no hopers in 2011

ONE NEWB
Constantine Bejenaru- Smallish Romanian won a three fight tournament in one night for a debut.

THE AMERICAN AND BRITISH PROSPECTS
Deontay Wilder- has now beaten 16 zombies by way of knock out, and had a fiasco against Harold Scoiners when he was almost knocked out. Until he fights someone serious, who cares?

Tor Hammer- No progress. Fought a couple of bums since his unexpected loss, and been on a long layoff.

Tyson Fury- Say what you will about him, next to Helenius, he has made the most progress. Fights frequently, and beat fellow prospect Chisora, making him something of a JR contender.

Derrick Chisora- embarrassed himself by coming in way overweight against Fury. Needs to decide if he wants to fight or not.

Tom Dallas- Talent free, rolled by David Price and embarrassed against Zack Page

David Price- Has stepped it up a bit, but still not really shown that he is a serious heavyweight fighter. Taking on McDermott soon, which will answer a few questions, but needs to follow that up rapidly...if he wins.

[kostya by ko]

Thanks for the update info.

Whatever people say about Fury ... he is stepping up to the plate more than most and a loss at this early stage at his age may do him some good in the long run.

Luis Ortiz has had 8 fight in 2011 against no-one of note. Anyone have any opinions on him?

[Cachibatches]

Originally Posted by kostya by ko

Thanks for the update info.

Whatever people say about Fury ... he is stepping up to the plate more than most and a loss at this early stage at his age may do him some good in the long run.

Luis Ortiz has had 8 fight in 2011 against no-one of note. Anyone have any opinions on him?

The big Cuban is a sleeper. A 6'4" power punching southpaw with over 350 amatuer fights who is always in shape. He's going to do some damage.

[11player]

I`m gonna put everyone, new contenders and prospects, together in the list, ranking them based on what level I believe they are or will achieve in the near future

Some of the names I don`t know enough about I marked with and interrogation point (hope somebody helps) and just took a guess.


THE TOP NAMES COMING UP:

Robert Helenius - Power is his game. Lacks skills and speed but has impressive resistance. Will always be the underdog in top fights, with a decent chance though.

Kubrat Pulev - Solid everywhere but nothing stands out. Has showed up heavier every fight, something for concearn I`d say.

Dennis Boytsov - Legit talent but undersized for the division. He is overprotected by his team so no worthy tests so far.

Vyacheslav Glazkov - Nice amateur credentials, already beat good opposition but is still very early in his pro career. Nice upside.

Tyson Fury - Nice upside, very young but already the Commomwealth champion. Impressive achievements but still rather raw.

Magomed Abdusalamov - Impressive power could lead to nice things now that he is trained by a top team.

Luiz Ortiz - Cuban with high amateur credentials, legit HW size, is tearing up through lesser competition. Could be a force in the near future.

Odlanier Solis - Outstanding talent, can be a force if controls this wheight and focus on career.

David Price - Big, powerfull, makes good use of his size.

Artur Szpilka - Nice fighting spirit, still quite raw. Has created some hype for himself already


THE B LEVEL GUYS:

Alexander Dimitrenko
Francesco Pianeta
Andrzej Wawrzyk
Arreola
Stiverne
Mike Perez
Alexander Ustinov
Mariusz Wach
Oleh Platov
Neven Pajkic
Edmund Gerber
Ondrej Pala
Leapai
Glendy Hernandez - ?
Welliver
Bogdan Dinu ?
Carlos Takan ?
Kelvin Price ?
Mansour
Charr
Seth Mitchell
K. Johnson
Joe Hanks
Michael Wallisch - ?
Vladimir Tereshkin - ?
Erkan Teper - ?
Krzysztof Zimnoch - ?
Deontay Wilder
Tor Hammer
Derrick Chisora
E. Molina - ?
Kauffmann
F. Lawrence
F. Allen - ?
B. Jennings - ?
Vincent Thompson - ?
Andy Ruiz Jr. - ?
Consuegra - ?

THE C LEVEL FIGHTERS:

J. Banks
Malik Scott
Chazz Whiterspoon
R. Towers
Rudenko
M. Byarm
Tupou
Bisbal
Nino Rodriguez
Negron
Monk Foreman III
Elijah McCall
W Vazquez
Lenroy Thomas
Petkovic
O. Rivas
Zumbano
Nascimento
Timur Ibragimov
Albert Sosnowski
Yakup Saglam
S. Collins
S. Scott
Leander
Tom Dallas

[Ramon Rojo]

Originally Posted by KINGOFTHE1ROUND

Robert Helenius: Big fucking moose.

Are you estonian?

[Goodhill]

Originally Posted by Ramon Rojo

Are you estonian?

They call us reindeers, not moose.