K2 and the contracts offered to various fighters......

BoxingFanNo1 · 10-25-2010, 02:51 AM

Posted this elsewhere, guess now's a good time to expand on it a little.
Below is a list of boxers who have had trouble negotiating with the Klitschkos:

Tua - "Lowball offer"
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Toney - "Chump Change"
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Dimitrenko - "Mutual benificial terms, not those being offered by K2"
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Adamek - "The Klitschko brothers offer their opponents little money. If they want to fight me and offer the right amount of money, I will fight them."
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Lennox Lewis -
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Lewis: At one time, we tried to make this fight and his promoter was lying to the Klitschko brothers and overpriced himself trying to get extra money. I feel good and confident about the fight and I am ready to go.

Maybe they learned from an old promoter eh?

Mormeck - asking for "too much money" -
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Haye - "contract an utter joke"
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Povetkin - "Slave Contract"
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Valuev - "Conditions which were offered by Vitali which didn't satisfy my promoters or me"
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Chisora - signing a 3 fight deal he was "told to keep silent about"
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Byrd - "This is crazy"
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Briggs 2006 - "Shelly Finkel and Wladimir Klitschko @$#@$#ed me, The contract that they sent me to fight Wlad was so thick and had so much red tape that it would have put me into slavery."
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Solis - “The offer we got from the Klitschko side are not what we have been expecting. In addition they don’t want to comply to any of our requests. We have made a counter offer but so far they didn’t respond to that"
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Fury - “The thing is with the Klitschkos, yeah, it’s all their way or no way. They want to give me peanuts to fight, them, yeah, they want it in Germany, they want options on me. They want everything — they want it all their own way. So why would I do that?"

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So are they cowards? Should they be grateful? Are they fools for passing up a great opportunity?
Or are they looking at the K2 contracts and thinking "Is this a joke?".

Discuss.

*Edited to add Chris Byrd, Briggs, Solis, Fury

Marry Lerchant · 10-25-2010, 02:54 AM

K2 are ESTABLISHED Champions.

Damn folks..i miss the old days where Pride was bigger than money.

BoxingFanNo1 · 10-25-2010, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Marry Lerchant

K2 are ESTABLISHED Champions.

Damn folks..i miss the old days where Pride was bigger than money.

Come on Marry, even Don King's looking at this and thinking "damn......."

Marry Lerchant · 10-25-2010, 03:03 AM

Tua, Toney, Mormeck, Chisora? They can be happy to fight K2 without doing shit.

All these "slave contract" claims are cheap excuses. First Povetkin signed a deal 2 years ago and now its a slave contract...Come on folks. Same thing for Haye.

And Rematch clauses are Standard since a long time.

BoxingFanNo1 · 10-25-2010, 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marry Lerchant

Tua, Toney, Mormeck, Chisora? They can be happy to fight K2 without doing shit.

All these "slave contract" claims are cheap excuses. First Povetkin signed a deal 2 years ago and now its a slave contract...Come on folks. Same thing for Haye.

And Rematch clauses are Standard since a long time.

Obviously they're not though are they? Now ask yourself why? "Happy to fight K2 without doing shit" isn't an answer, "cheap excuses" when you have TEN fighters complaining isn't an answer.

Has any other promotion in the history of a division had this much trouble negotiating with fighters? I don't think so, surely that means something?

Oh and those guys who haven't done shit are more worthy than a lot of other fighters who got their shot and "haven't done shit".

Kid Cuba · 10-25-2010, 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoxingFanNo1

Posted this elsewhere, guess now's a good time to expand on it a little.
Below is a list of boxers who have had trouble negotiating with the Klitschkos:

Tua - "Lowball offer"
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Toney - "Chump Change"
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Dimitrenko - "Mutual benificial terms, not those being offered by K2"
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Adamek - "The Klitschko brothers offer their opponents little money. If they want to fight me and offer the right amount of money, I will fight them."
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Lennox Lewis -
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
Lewis: At one time, we tried to make this fight and his promoter was lying to the Klitschko brothers and overpriced himself trying to get extra money. I feel good and confident about the fight and I am ready to go.

Maybe they learned from an old promoter eh?

Mormeck - asking for "too much money" -
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Haye - "contract an utter joke"
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Povetkin - "Slave Contract"
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Valuev - "Conditions which were offered by Vitali which didn't satisfy my promoters or me"
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Chisora - signing a 3 fight deal he was "told to keep silent about"
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Replace the * with the scene to view link.

So are they cowards? Should they be grateful? Are they fools for passing up a great opportunity?
Or are they looking at the K2 contracts and thinking "Is this a joke?".

Discuss.

Wow, I didn't know they got their Doctorates at the Don King school.

The students have surpassed the master.

fatdrunkenslob · 10-25-2010, 03:16 AM

All those fighters have not done a single thing to warrant a bigger purse. Most of them are coming off terrible performances to begin with so they need to get in the ring with the best and prove themselves. They are already receiving career high paydays from the Klitschkos and need to stop bitching about their supposed worth and go fight.
They should all be ashamed.

BoxingFanNo1 · 10-25-2010, 03:19 AM

Just added, Chris Byrd, does this sound fair to you?

“Like I said, the politics and business of boxing, it was a great time in my boxing career to win the title but then I had to go with the business and politics of boxing. Really, if you’re not at the top level and going through stuff, you really don’t know what’s going on behind the backdoor with negotiating and how they plan and want to put people in certain situations. It wasn’t for me to be WBO champion at that time, so of course, from the fight with Vitali to Wladimir there was so much negotiating that was going on that was terrible. It wasn’t in my favor and they forced me to fight Wladimir in my very next fight. It wasn’t really deserved, I don’t think and I waited. He had two fights and an exhibition in that whole time. They wouldn’t allow me to have an exhibition or do nothing. I mean, he had an exhibition like three weeks before we fought and I’m like, ‘This is crazy’. But the Germans were the lead promoters and that’s their fighter, and when you understand what goes on, like I said with the business side and the business decisions, which favors the Germans so I was told I still have to fight. I go in and fight, he beat me really bad—I mean it was bad. More power to him.”

No10Point · 10-25-2010, 03:25 AM

Bums of the month club dont deserve the multi millions they wont.

BoxingFanNo1 · 10-25-2010, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by No10Point

Bums of the month club dont deserve the multi millions they wont.

Brilliant post, coherent and deep.

Serenata · 10-25-2010, 03:48 AM

Dimitrenko = Career high money
Valuev = Career high money
Haye = 50/50 split
Povetkin = later admittance that it was his trainer who cancled the fight, not the money/terms
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Escopeta · 10-25-2010, 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serenata

Dimitrenko = Career high money
Valuev = Career high money
Haye = 50/50 split
Povetkin = later admittance that it was his trainer who cancled the fight, not the money/terms
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Mormeck on the scene..

Quote:

NB: Do you think the Klitschko Brothers think you are afraid?

When you're boxing, you are ready to step into the ring against anyone. But I am realistic, I did not accept the offer because I'm not ready for him. If I was, I would have accepted the offer for Wladimir. He wants to beat me up (laughs) but if he wants me to accept then he has to give me a lot more money (laughs).

BoxingFanNo1 · 10-25-2010, 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serenata

Dimitrenko = Career high money
Valuev = Career high money
Haye = 50/50 split
Povetkin = later admittance that it was his trainer who cancled the fight, not the money/terms
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Career high money, so what? Title shots are almost always career high paydays. If it's much less than they're expecting for a shot then obviously they'll have problems.

Haye 50/50 split, sure, but no options? I call bullshit. There's no way K2 would allow the possibility of Haye walking off with the belts without Wlad at least having a rematch clause.

The contract was always an issue with Povetkin, read this:

Povetkin's promoters Sauerland Event called the bout agreement received from Klitschko a "slave contract." Povetkin's manager sent some of the details to Russian boxing journalist Alexander Pavlov. Pavlov detailed some of the items that caused friction between Sauerland and Klitschko.

1. Povetkin has to visit (maybe more than one) joint or separate press conferences, participate in press trips, interviews, open training sessions and other public events as prescribed by K2 Promotions [Klitschkos' promotional company].

2. If Povetkin does not appear on one of the press events organized by K2, K2 will fine him the amount of at least $250,000 dollars.

3. K2 refuses to pay for relocation expenses, hotel accommodations, meals and transportation to and from the fight location, etc.

4. K2 refuses to provide health insurance for the duration of the fight and commits Povetkin to bear all of the costs of all medical expenses in treating injuries that he may receive in the fight.

5. Povetkin has to use the gloves provided by K2, from the company Grant. Povetkin is not allowed to bring his own gloves even in an unopened package or use gloves by any company other than Grant.

All Atlas ever said was Povetkin wasn't ready and needed more fights.

BoxingFanNo1 · 10-25-2010, 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serenata

Povetkin = later admittance that it was his trainer who cancled the fight, not the money/terms

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BoxingFanNo1 · 10-25-2010, 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Escopeta

Mormeck on the scene..

Isn't that the same interview where Mormeck states:

"I gave him a counter proposal but he did not accept it because he thought I was being too greedy"

10-25-2010, 02:51 AM	#1
BoxingFanNo1 Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 10,183 vCash: 2650	K2 and the contracts offered to various fighters...... Posted this elsewhere, guess now's a good time to expand on it a little. Below is a list of boxers who have had trouble negotiating with the Klitschkos: Tua - "Lowball offer" [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Toney - "Chump Change" [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]- Dimitrenko - "Mutual benificial terms, not those being offered by K2" [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Adamek - "The Klitschko brothers offer their opponents little money. If they want to fight me and offer the right amount of money, I will fight them." [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Lennox Lewis - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Lewis: At one time, we tried to make this fight and his promoter was lying to the Klitschko brothers and overpriced himself trying to get extra money. I feel good and confident about the fight and I am ready to go. Maybe they learned from an old promoter eh? Mormeck - asking for "too much money" - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Haye - "contract an utter joke" [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Povetkin - "Slave Contract" [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Valuev - "Conditions which were offered by Vitali which didn't satisfy my promoters or me" [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Chisora - signing a 3 fight deal he was "told to keep silent about" [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Byrd - "This is crazy" [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Briggs 2006 - "Shelly Finkel and Wladimir Klitschko @$#@$#ed me, The contract that they sent me to fight Wlad was so thick and had so much red tape that it would have put me into slavery." [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Solis - “The offer we got from the Klitschko side are not what we have been expecting. In addition they don’t want to comply to any of our requests. We have made a counter offer but so far they didn’t respond to that" [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Fury - “The thing is with the Klitschkos, yeah, it’s all their way or no way. They want to give me peanuts to fight, them, yeah, they want it in Germany, they want options on me. They want everything — they want it all their own way. So why would I do that?" [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Replace the * with the scene to view link. So are they cowards? Should they be grateful? Are they fools for passing up a great opportunity? Or are they looking at the K2 contracts and thinking "Is this a joke?". Discuss. Edited to add Chris Byrd, Briggs, Solis, Fury Last edited by BoxingFanNo1; 11-08-2011 at 05:41 AM. Reason: Added Byrd, Briggs, Solis, Fury*
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10-25-2010, 02:54 AM	#2
Marry Lerchant Journeyman Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 50 vCash: 500	Re: K2 and the contracts offered to various fighters...... K2 are ESTABLISHED Champions. Damn folks..i miss the old days where Pride was bigger than money.
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10-25-2010, 03:03 AM	#4
Marry Lerchant Journeyman Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 50 vCash: 500	Re: K2 and the contracts offered to various fighters...... Tua, Toney, Mormeck, Chisora? They can be happy to fight K2 without doing shit. All these "slave contract" claims are cheap excuses. First Povetkin signed a deal 2 years ago and now its a slave contract...Come on folks. Same thing for Haye. And Rematch clauses are Standard since a long time.
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10-25-2010, 03:16 AM	#7
fatdrunkenslob Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,259 vCash: 1000	Re: K2 and the contracts offered to various fighters...... All those fighters have not done a single thing to warrant a bigger purse. Most of them are coming off terrible performances to begin with so they need to get in the ring with the best and prove themselves. They are already receiving career high paydays from the Klitschkos and need to stop bitching about their supposed worth and go fight. They should all be ashamed.
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10-25-2010, 03:19 AM	#8
BoxingFanNo1 Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 10,183 vCash: 2650	Re: K2 and the contracts offered to various fighters...... Just added, Chris Byrd, does this sound fair to you? “Like I said, the politics and business of boxing, it was a great time in my boxing career to win the title but then I had to go with the business and politics of boxing. Really, if you’re not at the top level and going through stuff, you really don’t know what’s going on behind the backdoor with negotiating and how they plan and want to put people in certain situations. It wasn’t for me to be WBO champion at that time, so of course, from the fight with Vitali to Wladimir there was so much negotiating that was going on that was terrible. It wasn’t in my favor and they forced me to fight Wladimir in my very next fight. It wasn’t really deserved, I don’t think and I waited. He had two fights and an exhibition in that whole time. They wouldn’t allow me to have an exhibition or do nothing. I mean, he had an exhibition like three weeks before we fought and I’m like, ‘This is crazy’. But the Germans were the lead promoters and that’s their fighter, and when you understand what goes on, like I said with the business side and the business decisions, which favors the Germans so I was told I still have to fight. I go in and fight, he beat me really bad—I mean it was bad. More power to him.”
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10-25-2010, 03:25 AM	#9
No10Point Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,126 vCash: 1000	Re: K2 and the contracts offered to various fighters...... Bums of the month club dont deserve the multi millions they wont.
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10-25-2010, 03:48 AM	#11
Serenata Fit und geimpft ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Muenster, Germany Posts: 4,184 vCash: 1678	Re: K2 and the contracts offered to various fighters...... Dimitrenko = Career high money Valuev = Career high money Haye = 50/50 split Povetkin = later admittance that it was his trainer who cancled the fight, not the money/terms . . .
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