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Old 10-25-2010, 09:22 AM   #76
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That's why there's purse bids and sanctioning bodies involved in mandatory title defenses.

Want to get the Klit titles without being exposed to low ball offers and rematch clauses? Easy. Just become mandatory challenger and knock the Klits out.

Now why is it none of these whining bitches can perform this very simple task? Why didn't guys like Toney, Dimitrenko, Haye or whoever else simple become the #1 mandatory challenger so they can't be bullied around in negotiations?

Once you are mandatory challegner all that's left is to knock the Klits out and there's no rematch clauses. It's your belt to keep.
Povetkin was mandatory and they still managed to give him an unfair contract.
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Old 10-25-2010, 09:41 AM   #77
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Povetkin was mandatory and they still managed to give him an unfair contract.



This shows you don't know what you are talking about the first fight went to a purse bid that K2 won for like 13 mil which Povetkin was getting like 3.3 mil AS A MANDATORY. That is a huge payday. He tripped on a tree root (yeah right) so he missed out on that purse which was by far the biggest of his career.

I believe the IBF is 75/25 or 70/30 or so for a mandatory so the Klitschko's DO NOT dictate shit when it comes to the contracts and you can't have options on a mandatory fight.

You are clueless.
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Old 10-25-2010, 09:48 AM   #78
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Povetkin was mandatory and they still managed to give him an unfair contract.
Are you kidding me? Povetkin was guaranteed a $2 million Dollar payday. The reason he bitched out wasn't the contract but as Atlas explained Povetkin was mourning the death of his father and was unable to concentrate on preparation. Hardly the fault of the Klitschkos is it?

Read the interview with Povetkin's manager Hrunov, he lays out the details. The Povetkin case had *NOTHING* to do with contract problems, it was personal problems.
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Old 10-25-2010, 09:52 AM   #79
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Arthur Abraham said to the Klitschko terms:

"They are the champs and the champs make the conditions and not the challenger. If the challenger becomes champ he can make his conditions. That has been the same since 100 years."


BTW Audley Harrison gets 100.000 for the Hayefight?
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Old 10-25-2010, 10:00 AM   #80
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25% is better than the $400k Tua was offered. Wlads TV deal alone pays 3m per fight which works out to about $5m
The road to becoming a mandatory is always open to Tua. $400k would have been unfair to him ten years ago but today I'm not so sure.
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Old 10-25-2010, 10:14 AM   #81
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Funny that 99% of the ones complaining here are from the british isles.
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Old 10-25-2010, 10:15 AM   #82
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Funny that 99% of the ones complaining here are from the british isles.
Funny that 99% of the nuthuggers trying to defend that shit are German
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Old 10-25-2010, 10:22 AM   #83
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"Haters just grasp to every straw they can hold to bash the Brothers"
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Old 10-25-2010, 10:44 AM   #84
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Funny that 99% of the nuthuggers trying to defend that shit are German
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Old 10-25-2010, 10:44 AM   #85
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So they shortchange, if you believe you can win, fight, take the belts and write your own ticket.

I only get annoyed if theyre forced into rematch or something like the Louis-Cinderella Man (?) disgrace, signing over your future for a shot.
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:45 PM   #86
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There's no options and rematch clauses for mandatory challengers. Thread closed.

(Just these worthless crap contenders are too lazy and old to get a mandatory shot, so they rather whine about the terrible contracts they get for voluntary title defense shots! DUH!!!!!!!)
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:53 PM   #87
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thats only if it goes to a purse bid
comon now and klits would bid low as pov team cant outprice them in any way
That's the problem with povetkin's promoters not being able to make money for him.
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Old 10-25-2010, 02:28 PM   #88
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Firstly I have no idea why Chisora was told to keep quiet about the terms of his contract. My understanding is that it is usually a condition of contracts that you can't make the terms public.
However, this rule seems to be breachable in ways that I don't understand. For example, the Klit's said that they offered Haye 50-50 and no options. Can they disclose that because it is not a contract yet? Or why can they disclose this yet Haye can't disclose what he says the real contract is?

Phrasing it like "He was told to keep it quiet" makes it seem sinister - like there is something to hide. But if that is the usual understanding for contracts, then it is a total non-issue.
Given how little we know about boxing contracts, I assume that it is the norm for non-disclosure to be a condition. I suspect that Chisora may have even technically breached his contract already. But as I said, I don't really get how the non-disclosure conditions work.
Going way back fighters purses were almost always in the news, Lewis, Tyson, Bowe etc, and with that a rematch clause came as standard and would be in the news. Things seem different with K2.

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Ok... back to the 1000 to 1 odds for Chisora to win against Wlad twice.

The pros of his deal:

1) he gets an undeserved fight for the title
2) he gets at least 10 times more for the fight than he would have against his normal opponents, all unearned and undeserving
3) he gets a meteoric rise in credibility, meaning his 16th, 17th, 18th fight etc will have substantial increases in dollar value. All unearned and undeserving.

The cons:

1) there is a 1 in 1000 chance that he will have to have two rematches, instead of one.
Undeserved? Ok who else will fight them? No-one that's who, Chisora is in a prime position for K2.

1) It's deserved, no-one above him will fight or have already fought.
If K2 offered him a fight then they obviously feel he's the highest deserving guy willing to fight, kind of destroy's your point doesn't it?
2) See point one
3) Meteoric rise??? He'll be straight back to being free on SKY earning small purses, what are you talking about??

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Let's see how seriously we should be taking those odds, shall we?

Chance of dying from any kind of injury during the next year: 1 in 1,820
Chance that Earth will experience a catastrophic collision with an asteroid in the next 100 years: 1 in 5,000
Odds of being on plane with a drunken pilot: 117 to 1
Odds of injury from mowing the lawn: 3,623 to 1
Odds of fatally slipping in bath or shower: 2,232 to 1
Odds of being struck by lightning -- 1 in 10,456 (lifetime)
Odds of being Murdered -- 1 in 140 (lifetime)

So I guess that people bitching about this clause also spend a lot of time worrying about how they will certainly die from having a shower?

Perspective, context, call it what you want. The fact is that Chisora is going to fight Wlad, get beaten, get paid much more than he deserves, and will continue to them earn more than he would otherwise have done.

Whining about a clause that will not happen? That's descended into more than being silly.
So it's CHISORA who's getting paid too much now??? Are you ****ing serious?? You're talking like a guy fighting for the title should be paid the same amount as if he was fighting a can!!!

None the less, still irrelevant, Vitali should have no part in the negotiations whoever the opponent is, you're focusing on Chisora too much.
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Old 10-25-2010, 02:31 PM   #89
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Let me put it this way: get a MANDATORY shot and you'll get "fair money".
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Well, we know that is true. Haye has managed to grab a belt and made himself out as one of the higher ranked fighters. So his contract offer changes dramatically for the better.
That's common sense.

But apparently people who have done nothing to earn an opportunity deserve everything handed to them on a silver platter?
Mandatories are once a year, and as standard get 33% I believe, that's fair, but you have to take the mandatory position AND be happy with the extras in the contract you're offered.

Wasn't Povetkin the mandatory but still unhappy with a lot of the clauses?

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Old 10-25-2010, 02:33 PM   #90
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Haters will hate. You guys better look at the opposition they have beaten in dominating fashion in the last 6 years and not on the contracts that are almost unknown to all of us.

Look at the FACTS.
I'm not a hater, I'm presenting a case where 12 fighters have had issues with K2.

How I about I say you're hating against the 12 fighters who've complained/are complaining?
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