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Old 10-25-2010, 11:51 AM   #46
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Like I stated in another thread:

Pacquiao went from no OST at all, down to 24days, down to 14 days, down to 7days.

Seems like only 1 fighter here is actually trying to make consessions in order for this fight to happen.

Random blood/urin tests up until 7days before the fight, and a blood/urine test immediately after the fight. Sounds pretty damn reasonable to me, ESPECIALLY since these are tests that the NSAC arent even asking for. Pac is going above and beyone the typical testing protocol.
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Old 10-25-2010, 11:53 AM   #47
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right.....But that rebuttal was still horrible....ROGER SAYING PAC WAS ON A SIDE METH WHEN HE CLEARLY JUST TALKIN SHIT IS ALOT DIFFERENT FROM PAC TELLING THE MEDIA THAT THEY AGREED TO SAME DAY TESTING OR KONCZ TELLING THE MEDIA THEY AGREED TO 7 DAYS...


SOMEONE IS LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH? FLOYD PUT IT OUT ON PPV WHAT HE WANTED...SAME TESTS AS MOSLEY....THEY CLAIMED THEY AGREED TO THAT..KONCZ JUST CAME OUT AND SAID THEY AGREED TO A "7 DAY CUTOFF"

THATS THE POINT
OK, we'll try another one.

How about everyone in the Mayweather camp denying that any negotiations tooks place, only for HBO's Ross Greenberg to come out and say that they HAD taken place?

See, everyone is lying. Get over it
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Old 10-25-2010, 11:55 AM   #48
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And the thing is, he wouldn't be on any "muscle building" anyway, very few people who talk about PEDs in sport and espeically boxing know how they would be used.

Why would a VERY SMALL man fighting in a low weight class want to take drugs to build muscle? He is ripped to shit and has very limited space to grow.

And drugs don't suddenly build explosive power.

They will help your recovery with hard workouts, that's it.

Most top professional athletes are on drugs for most international competitions, boxing is no different. Most drugs take at least 45 days to leave your system, some up to 18 months, so its not like they can take anything and everything.

The whole thing is insane and based on Hollywood views of anabolic steroids and THEY ARE BAD!!! and they are INSTANT AND MAKE YOU A TANK!!!

It's ridiculous in this day and age where everyone is an internet expert on everything that there is such a gap between what people think they know and the facts.

In the Olympics, the lifters for example need to stop taking drugs (those who do) at least 1-3 months prior if they are drugs of any real value. At the time of their Olympics they would be clean, if you are in a tested competition you should be 100% clean at the time of the testing and competition otherwise it is cheating. Using in the offseason, in the buildup to a fight or an event, is neither here nor there.

But its more socially acceptable to beat your wife up or hit and run guys in their Bentleys, or sniff cocaine off prostitute's tits than it is to take anabolic steroids to improve your training and push yourself even further.
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:00 PM   #49
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Don't you know, Pac is gonna wait for the 7 day cut-off date, shoot himself up with A-side meth and Ariza-Power-Pellets, pass the urine tests that continue until day 0, then pass the post fight blood test too.


All the while, Floyd will kick his ass anyways, with or without the tests.



Let's be serious about this. Even the 24 day window was good enough. 3 weeks of hGH will barely do anything. EPO will get caught in the piss.

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Old 10-25-2010, 12:02 PM   #50
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OK, we'll try another one.

How about everyone in the Mayweather camp denying that any negotiations tooks place, only for HBO's Ross Greenberg to come out and say that they HAD taken place?

See, everyone is lying. Get over it
OK I UNDERSTAND THAT MAN...But explain how what they lied about effected much of anything?

they stated "no negotiations took place" and were also following an item that said they would not do ANY negotiating through the press........

so that has nothing to do with agreeing to anything....uuhhhh ur fault

what they lied about was negotiations and u can argue that they are still following the agreement made THAT NO NEGOTIATIONS WOULD TAKE PLACE IN THE MEDIA AS ARUM DIDNT WANT FLOYD'S BIG MOUTH INVOLVED
AGAIN..UR POINT NULL..LYING ABOUT AGREEING TO THE TESTS AND LYING ABOUT NEGOTIATIONS TAKING PLACE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS ALL TOGETHER...

NEXT..STOP TRYING CUZ UR WAY OFF..JUST THE FACT THAT YOUR USING THAT COMPARISON SHOWS U EITHER DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT IM SAYING..OR 2, U TRYING TO BRING UP WHAT "THE MAYWEATHERS SAID" IN REBUTTAL WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT KONCZ AND PAC SAID..

SEE...THERES UR WEAKNESS.U ARGUE WHAT FLOYD SAID..GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH IT MAN
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And the thing is, he wouldn't be on any "muscle building" anyway, very few people who talk about PEDs in sport and espeically boxing know how they would be used.

Why would a VERY SMALL man fighting in a low weight class want to take drugs to build muscle? He is ripped to shit and has very limited space to grow.

And drugs don't suddenly build explosive power.

They will help your recovery with hard workouts, that's it.

Most top professional athletes are on drugs for most international competitions, boxing is no different. Most drugs take at least 45 days to leave your system, some up to 18 months, so its not like they can take anything and everything.

The whole thing is insane and based on Hollywood views of anabolic steroids and THEY ARE BAD!!! and they are INSTANT AND MAKE YOU A TANK!!!

It's ridiculous in this day and age where everyone is an internet expert on everything that there is such a gap between what people think they know and the facts.

In the Olympics, the lifters for example need to stop taking drugs (those who do) at least 1-3 months prior if they are drugs of any real value. At the time of their Olympics they would be clean, if you are in a tested competition you should be 100% clean at the time of the testing and competition otherwise it is cheating. Using in the offseason, in the buildup to a fight or an event, is neither here nor there.

But its more socially acceptable to beat your wife up or hit and run guys in their Bentleys, or sniff cocaine off prostitute's tits than it is to take anabolic steroids to improve your training and push yourself even further.
WAY OFF.... UR LOOKING AT IT FROM A BODY BUILDER VIEW....IT HELPS RE FURBISH AND RE ENERGIZE QUICKER TOO...IT ALSO HELPS IN GAINING "LEAN MUSCLE" AS WELL....

AGAIN..U WAY OFF WITH YOUR ARGUMENT...THIS IS ABOUT WHAT PAC SAID AND WHAT KONCZ SAID AND HOW THEY HAVE GIVEN CONFLICTING INFO TO THE MEDIA AND PROBABLY DIDN'T REALIZE IT..
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:06 PM   #52
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Like I stated in another thread:

Pacquiao went from no OST at all, down to 24days, down to 14 days, down to 7days.

Seems like only 1 fighter here is actually trying to make consessions in order for this fight to happen.

Random blood/urin tests up until 7days before the fight, and a blood/urine test immediately after the fight. Sounds pretty damn reasonable to me, ESPECIALLY since these are tests that the NSAC arent even asking for. Pac is going above and beyone the typical testing protocol.
YUP...BUT AT THE SAME TIME FLOYD TOLD PAC AFTER THE MOSLEY FIGHT AND IN MULTIPLE INTERVIEWS PAC WOULD HAVE TO AGREE UP UNTIL THE DAY OF..

TEAM PAC LIED ABOUT WHAT THEY ACTUALLY AGREED TO, SO THAT THEY WOULD LOOK BETTER...PAC TOLD MICHAEL MARLEY HE AGREED TO ALL THE DEMANDS...CLEARLY HE DIDNT CUZ THE DEMAND UP UNTIL THE DAY OF WAS NEVER AGREED TO

IM OUT...DONE OWNING THIS THREAD....KEEP THINKING OF WAYS TO TWIST IT AROUND PACTARDS...
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:11 PM   #53
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Since it has come out in the first Pacquiao vs Margarito 24/7 that Team Pacquiao agreed to a 7-day cut-off for the blood testing and not a "0-day" cutoff for blood testing, some writers and posters who should know better have been trumpeting this "discovery" as some kind of vindication of their private conspiracy theories or are simply using the new information to continue to smear Manny Pacquiao and/or give credence to Floyd Mayweather's 2-time ducking of the Filipino pound-for-pound king.

Let's put a stop to this nonsense.

Many on here probably don't know a PED -- or how PED testing works -- from their own backside, and thus have no idea what they're talking about with regards to this issue. In fact, this is what Floyd Mayweather seems to be relying on in his manic desire to avoid fighting Pacquiao: The ignorance of the boxing public.

As most know, Floyd was advised both by his own medical expert(s) in the first round of negotiations as well as his team to agree to the 14-day (or was it 21 days?) window supposedly agreed on by Team Pacquiao in order to make the fight. Floyd refused, and the fight did not get made.

After ducking Pacquiao the first time, Mayweather then said that was the last time Pac would get the 14-day window offer. So what did Team Pacquiao do during the next round of negotiations (which Floyd apparently flat-out lied about and said never took place)?

He agreed to a 7-day window in order to get the fight with Mayweather made. That is, he budged. He compromised, agreed to stipulations to satisfy wild conspiracy theories that almost no other fighter in the sport has had to deal with. But he did it anyways. And what happened?

Floyd went on vacation and allegedly beat up his baby momma.

Now, let's turn to the 7-days vs 0-days issue, itself.

My own experience with PEDs comes from having been a powerlifter in my past (never used PEDs but knew many who did) as well as having a former world-class powerlifter as a brother who worked with some of the top nutritional supplement experts from around the world in several business ventures and his own competitive training.

Couple of things, then:

* You cannot run any kind of steroid, HGH or other muscle-building program in 7 days.

This should be obvious to anyone with even a slight knowledge of working out. That is, you're not making any meaningful gains in 7 days. Particularly as you lead up to a fight in which you have to be fresh heading into the ring (vs doing hard muscle building work the last week before a fight) and when you are going to be tested right after the fight. You're literally talking here, at best, like a 4-day window to get any kind of steroid/HGH/etc "gains." If you think this is at all meaningful, you don't know anything about PED's or training, and I have a bridge to sell you located in Manhattan.

* The only possible, meaningful PED's you could hope to use in a 7-day window would be things like amphetamines or other 'day-of' boosters

What I'm talking about here are things like Major League Baseball "greenies" or whatever Panama Lewis put in Aaron Pryor's drink bottle. That is, some kind of same-day drug that increases your immunity to pain (like the injections which Floyd supposedly used on his fragile hands in training), heightens your nervous system alertness, etc.

One problem with this, though: You have to take a post-fight drug test and you will be caught if you try this. Unless, of course, you're a know-nothing or conspiracy theorist who somehow, someway, thinks that Pac has some "magic pill" amphetamine he can take for like 4 days before the fight that will -- voila! -- give him supernatural powers come fight night but yet not show up on a drug test.

That pill doesn't exist.

Or, perhaps you think Pacquiao has gotten into untestable gene therapy. Yeah, that's it; that's the ticket. I think Pac got the latest techniques on gene therapy when the UFO flew over New York City last week or whatever.

Or, if you understand PED's and training, and how the PR game is played, you might come to the conclusion that Team Mayweather did their homework, realized that Pacquiao blamed his first loss to Eric Morales on a blood test he took beforehand and thus Team Mayweather understood that they could play a public relations game and both duck Pacquiao and pretend they were doing so on principle, to help "clean up the sport," of course, not for any personal reasons (beating up baby momma allegations notwithstanding in terms of "cleaning up the sport," of course).

This is where some noted authors on the sport are at: Conspiracy-Theory Land or Ignoranceville. They think you're dumb, or they are ignorant themselves on how PED's and testing works. Even Victor Conte, who first tried to defend Mayweather's refusal to accept the 14-day window, has come clean on how irrelevant this time period is. And that was 14 days.

And so we're left with supposed boxing "experts" trying to make a distinction without a difference. That is, if you agree to a 7-day cutoff on blood testing, you are, in effect, conceding to a 0-day cutoff. Anything in your blood for 3-5 days before the fight is almost certainly going to be caught on the fight night drug test. You can't build relevant muscle in 7 days, especially as you go into the "cool down/recover" phase before a prize fight. If you try to sneak amphetamines or EPO in on fight night, you'll be caught, not to mention your body won't be used to it because you're introducing it so late in your training phase.

Did Team Pac "lie" about the 0-day agreement? It seems they did. Does it matter? No, not in terms of how it affects either negotiations or performance on fight night.

Floyd still doesn't or didn't want the fight. Maybe that will change one day, or maybe, as Pac suggested in comparing Floyd's achievements to his own in the first 24/7 for the Margarito bout, he just doesn't care to chase a 2-time ducker anymore and Pac will simply move on from Floyd. As Pacquiao said, he feels he no longer "needs" Floyd for his legacy and that would seem to be correct, particularly as Pacquiao is chasing a title in a record-extending 8th weight division.

If any writer tries to make a point on this "7-Day" issue, understand they have an agenda. And the agenda is not "the truth," it is to try to diminish Pacquiao and likely raise up or protect a man who twice dodged Pacquiao. This is unfortunate, but their ruse only works if you're stupid enough to let them con you with their words and misguided concepts.

Be smart.
stopped reading there. You try to come off as someone who has experience with them but apparently you are just like the rest of us. We can all google a few things and post them too....
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:17 PM   #54
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YUP...BUT AT THE SAME TIME FLOYD TOLD PAC AFTER THE MOSLEY FIGHT AND IN MULTIPLE INTERVIEWS PAC WOULD HAVE TO AGREE UP UNTIL THE DAY OF..

TEAM PAC LIED ABOUT WHAT THEY ACTUALLY AGREED TO, SO THAT THEY WOULD LOOK BETTER...PAC TOLD MICHAEL MARLEY HE AGREED TO ALL THE DEMANDS...CLEARLY HE DIDNT CUZ THE DEMAND UP UNTIL THE DAY OF WAS NEVER AGREED TO

IM OUT...DONE OWNING THIS THREAD....KEEP THINKING OF WAYS TO TWIST IT AROUND PACTARDS...
So Pac has to obey Floyd's new found rules because Floyd said so? So if Floyd were to tell Pac that he could'nt take a shit 3 days before the fight and Pac doesnt agree, does that mean Pac doesnt want the fight? LOL.

Floyd has done nothing but create obstacles and roadblocks from making this fight happen. Its quite obvious.
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YUP...BUT AT THE SAME TIME FLOYD TOLD PAC AFTER THE MOSLEY FIGHT AND IN MULTIPLE INTERVIEWS PAC WOULD HAVE TO AGREE UP UNTIL THE DAY OF..

TEAM PAC LIED ABOUT WHAT THEY ACTUALLY AGREED TO, SO THAT THEY WOULD LOOK BETTER...PAC TOLD MICHAEL MARLEY HE AGREED TO ALL THE DEMANDS...CLEARLY HE DIDNT CUZ THE DEMAND UP UNTIL THE DAY OF WAS NEVER AGREED TO

IM OUT...DONE OWNING THIS THREAD....KEEP THINKING OF WAYS TO TWIST IT AROUND PACTARDS...

believe me, you're not owning anyone, and everyone(except the flomos of course) is pretty much aware of it.

all your rebuttals were very elementary, limited and ridiculously one sided.

but if that makes you happy, then go on. why waste a good feeling before going to sleep, right?
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So Pac has to obey Floyd's new found rules because Floyd said so? So if Floyd were to tell Pac that he could'nt take a shit 3 days before the fight and Pac doesnt agree, does that mean Pac doesnt want the fight? LOL.

Floyd has done nothing but create obstacles and roadblocks from making this fight happen. Its quite obvious.
Not everything is obvious to a flomo...
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stopped reading there. You try to come off as someone who has experience with them but apparently you are just like the rest of us. We can all google a few things and post them too....
Then you missed where I discussed about my brother, whom I didn't mention I worked with in a nutritional supplement business.

This isn't Wikipedia journalism here; I know what I'm talking about, primarily from learning it from that brother and persons I know who did use.

Let me put it this way: Who do you think would know more about heroine usage, a person who spent a lot of time around heroin addicts and who studied the drug or a person who went and looked up heroin one day on Google?

I could say more, but I think you get the point.
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someone tell me that the source for Pac saying he agreed to be tested until the day of the fight is someone more credible than Michael Marley.

and sds before you go on another screaming rant, look at what I posted about Marley in the past. Here is a quote that I posted more than 3 months ago

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Not saying he's right or wrong but Marley is crazy anyways. Everyone knows that.

I've never read anything he wrote that looked like actual journalism
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seriously I don't understand these haters
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MAN..U MISSING THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE TESTS....HAVING ANY KIND OF CUTOFF TAKES AWAY FROM THE INTEGRITY OF THE TESTS PERIOD....

FLOYD MADE IT CLEAR "UP UNTIL THE DAY OF" POST MOSLEY...NEXT ONE

BTW ...JUST ABOUT EVERYONE SAYING PAC LIED ABOUT THE 0 DAY AGREEMENT AND THATS WHAT COUNTS..

GUY LIED AND PACTARDS STILL MAKING EXCUSES
First of all, if your Caps Lock key is broken, make use of the Shift keys for everyone's sakes.

Second of all, you're missing the point. Whatever integrity is taken away from the tests is practically trivial. You're basically admitting to this:

"The important thing is that Pacquiao should accept Floyd's terms exactly."

It's called Negotiations for a reason. Give and take, not "one person makes a demand, now take it or no fight and you're gay and everyone that likes to watch you fight is gay."
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