why did holmes and norton never have a rematch?

blagovech · 11-14-2012, 09:54 AM

the fight they fought was one of the best heavyweight fights so why did they never have a rematch

mr. magoo · 11-14-2012, 10:38 AM

Someone posted on here a few years ago saying that Holmes outright said that he didn't want to fight Norton again. Not long after their initial meeting, Ken got sparked by Shavers, then basically fell off the face of the earth.

theword · 11-14-2012, 11:35 AM

I'm not sure I blame them to be honest. Would you want to go through that again?

Stevie G · 11-14-2012, 11:37 AM

The Norton-Shavers bout,on the undercard of Holmes-Ossie Ocasio title fight,was an eliminator for the WBC belt. Earnie spoilt the party.

salsanchezfan · 11-14-2012, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stevie G

The Norton-Shavers bout,on the undercard of Holmes-Ossie Ocasio title fight,was an eliminator for the WBC belt. Earnie spoilt the party.

This.

Stevie G · 11-14-2012, 11:59 AM

A rematch between the two would have been a good fight,but not as competitive as what would have been the first one. Holmes was peaking while Ken was on the way down.

Senor Pepe' · 11-14-2012, 02:04 PM

Larry Holmes,

When he defeated Ken Norton {June 9, 1978} Larry woud have 1-year before he was
required to make a 'mandatory' defense versus the #1 WBC Challenger.

Larry, then was entitled to a 'non-mandatory defense', which was the Alfredo Evangilsta bout
on November 10, 1978.

Larry was then, going to defend his title versus the Jimmy Young vs. Ossie Ocasio rematch
winner, which was held on January 27, 1979.

Ossie wins, and Larry fights Ocasio on March 23, 1979.

Ken Norton, after losing to Larry Holmes on June 9, 1978 - temporarily retired.

Kenny came back on November 10, 1978 (Larry Holmes vs. Alfredo Evangilista undercard),
and stops Randy Stephens (who had just upset Stan Ward).

Kenny was promised a June 1979 bout versus Larry Holmes, but he decided to take some big
bucks to foolishly fight Earnie Shavers in March 23, 1979 - (on the Larry Holmes vs. Ossie Ocasio undercard).

Kenny 'did' not need the Shavers bout to get a rematch.

red cobra · 11-14-2012, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blagovech

the fight they fought was one of the best heavyweight fights so why did they never have a rematch

Well, i can't tell you the technical reasons, but poetically, I can say that the reason is that "you can't top perfection"..and that's what their fight was...perfection.

jowcol · 11-14-2012, 07:31 PM

Given both fighter's age, a rematch would have resulted in a Holmes stoppage mid-round. No argument, next thread please!

johnmaff36 · 11-15-2012, 12:11 AM

As much as i like Holmes, he wasnt too fond of rematches

Senor Pepe' · 11-15-2012, 09:45 AM

March 23, 1979

#1 WBC-ranked - Ken Norton

The 34 year-old former WBC Heavyweight Champion was a heavily bet 3-1 favorite,
for this scheduled 12-Round WBC Elimination bout.

Plus, a fight purse of $750,000 to face what many were saying was a faded and
low-stamina Earnie Shavers.

Bill Slayton, devised a fight-pan for Kenny, which was to get in close to Earnie and
make him work. Smother and maul him, and after 3 or 4 Rounds he would be 'gassed-out'.

Bill Slayton had Kenny come in at 225 lbs., thinking the added weight would help wear
down Earnie, and by the 5th Round, Earnie would be 'easy-pickings'.

Bill Slayton, 'If Earnie doesn't have room, he can't hit hard with his looping punches. On
the inside, Earnie does not know how to fight. We plan to go at it like a 'Rugby Player'
in a scrum.'

Stevie G · 11-15-2012, 11:37 AM

Shavers-Norton could have played out very differently had Ken got his big shots in first. Okay,Norton was n't a puncher in Earnie's or George Foreman's mould but he still hit harder than Jerry Quarry,for example,who stopped Shavers. If this had come to pass,we'd have had Holmes-Norton II in September of that year. I see Holmes taking a fairly clear decision. Perhaps 9 - 6 in rounds.

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Stevie G Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: London,England Posts: 10,646 vCash: 1000	Re: why did holmes and norton never have a rematch? A rematch between the two would have been a good fight,but not as competitive as what would have been the first one. Holmes was peaking while Ken was on the way down.
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Senor Pepe' Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,734 vCash: 500	Re: why did holmes and norton never have a rematch? Larry Holmes, When he defeated Ken Norton {June 9, 1978} Larry woud have 1-year before he was required to make a 'mandatory' defense versus the #1 WBC Challenger. Larry, then was entitled to a 'non-mandatory defense', which was the Alfredo Evangilsta bout on November 10, 1978. Larry was then, going to defend his title versus the Jimmy Young vs. Ossie Ocasio rematch winner, which was held on January 27, 1979. Ossie wins, and Larry fights Ocasio on March 23, 1979. Ken Norton, after losing to Larry Holmes on June 9, 1978 - temporarily retired. Kenny came back on November 10, 1978 (Larry Holmes vs. Alfredo Evangilista undercard), and stops Randy Stephens (who had just upset Stan Ward). Kenny was promised a June 1979 bout versus Larry Holmes, but he decided to take some big bucks to foolishly fight Earnie Shavers in March 23, 1979 - (on the Larry Holmes vs. Ossie Ocasio undercard). Kenny 'did' not need the Shavers bout to get a rematch. Last edited by Senor Pepe'; 11-14-2012 at 02:20 PM.
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Senor Pepe' Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,734 vCash: 500	Re: why did holmes and norton never have a rematch? March 23, 1979 #1 WBC-ranked - Ken Norton The 34 year-old former WBC Heavyweight Champion was a heavily bet 3-1 favorite, for this scheduled 12-Round WBC Elimination bout. Plus, a fight purse of $750,000 to face what many were saying was a faded and low-stamina Earnie Shavers. Bill Slayton, devised a fight-pan for Kenny, which was to get in close to Earnie and make him work. Smother and maul him, and after 3 or 4 Rounds he would be 'gassed-out'. Bill Slayton had Kenny come in at 225 lbs., thinking the added weight would help wear down Earnie, and by the 5th Round, Earnie would be 'easy-pickings'. Bill Slayton, 'If Earnie doesn't have room, he can't hit hard with his looping punches. On the inside, Earnie does not know how to fight. We plan to go at it like a 'Rugby Player' in a scrum.'
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Stevie G Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: London,England Posts: 10,646 vCash: 1000	Re: why did holmes and norton never have a rematch? Shavers-Norton could have played out very differently had Ken got his big shots in first. Okay,Norton was n't a puncher in Earnie's or George Foreman's mould but he still hit harder than Jerry Quarry,for example,who stopped Shavers. If this had come to pass,we'd have had Holmes-Norton II in September of that year. I see Holmes taking a fairly clear decision. Perhaps 9 - 6 in rounds.
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