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Old 06-13-2008, 12:07 PM   #346
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Joe Calzaghe has often stated that he only does old school style training.

Runs six miles a day on flat surfaces and hills. Hits the pads and bags, spars, and does calisthenics. Pushups, pullups, situps. He has stated that he never does any sort of weight lifting. In other words trains like the all time greats.

With this sort of training, he is never tired, throws 100 plus punches per round, has tremendous speed and is very flexible and mobile. He never loses.

He also consistently defeats fighters that train with so called modern methods. e.g., Kessler lifts weights and uses machines, ditto for Manfredo, Lacy and Bika, etc.

Could it be that all the nonsense about not running long distances and using weights that is espoused on this site by many is just pure nonsense from "trainers" that have never stepped in ring?
Calzaghe is an exceptional talent. If you want to take into account his training regime then you need to consider the whole stable he belongs to;

Rees
Macca
Lockett

From there I think you can come up with a logical conclusion
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:46 PM   #347
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Nothing burns fat like intervals.
I always heard that to, and believed it for a long time, so i don't say this lightly.

I am training a fighter and we tested several methods and here is what we found out;
working with a good friend who is strength and conditioning specialist from UT in Austin. we wrote down everything we ate and didn't change the diet at all. After hydrostatic weighing (we did this every week its nice to do things for science because this gets expensive), He put both a fighter I am training and me on a heart rate monitor and we ran an intraval workout as our exclusive conditioning training (outside boxing) no other running. for two weeks

we followed this with two weeks of standard training.

the third two weeks we ran my normal 15 (5 miles 3x week) miles week 1 and upped the milage to 18 (4.5 miles 4x a week) week 2

What we found was that sprints burned fat at a high rate BUT the associated gain in muscsle mass increased overall weight. That is to say that building muscle burns more fat, but our weight stayed the same. In the long run you'll gain weight using sprints, granted it is muscle, but you should calculate that when planning your workouts.
In contrast the long runs burned fat without adding weight. I lost just under 3 lbs of fat week 5 and over 4 pounds week 6 while keeping the same lean body mass and improving our overall condition.
This is not too big a deal for me since I am a heavyweight, and don't compete any more (at least at the moment) but to my fighter who is a 160 pounder it is a huge difference.
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Old 06-13-2008, 01:08 PM   #348
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I always heard that to, and believed it for a long time, so i don't say this lightly.

I am training a fighter and we tested several methods and here is what we found out;
working with a good friend who is strength and conditioning specialist from UT in Austin. we wrote down everything we ate and didn't change the diet at all. After hydrostatic weighing (we did this every week its nice to do things for science because this gets expensive), He put both a fighter I am training and me on a heart rate monitor and we ran an intraval workout as our exclusive conditioning training (outside boxing) no other running. for two weeks

we followed this with two weeks of standard training.

the third two weeks we ran my normal 15 (5 miles 3x week) miles week 1 and upped the milage to 18 (4.5 miles 4x a week) week 2

What we found was that sprints burned fat at a high rate BUT the associated gain in muscsle mass increased overall weight. That is to say that building muscle burns more fat, but our weight stayed the same. In the long run you'll gain weight using sprints, granted it is muscle, but you should calculate that when planning your workouts.
In contrast the long runs burned fat without adding weight. I lost just under 3 lbs of fat week 5 and over 4 pounds week 6 while keeping the same lean body mass and improving our overall condition.
This is not too big a deal for me since I am a heavyweight, and don't compete any more (at least at the moment) but to my fighter who is a 160 pounder it is a huge difference.
Interesting point
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Old 06-13-2008, 01:21 PM   #349
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I think I'm going to extend the walks with my dog to a few miles every night before bed to try to replace the running; just making sure the walking is brisk.

Next week I'm also going to add sprint sessions on the elliptical before I lift.

That way, at least I'm mixing up the methods and doing what I can to compensate for the jogging.
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Old 06-13-2008, 01:23 PM   #350
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I think I'm going to extend the walks with my dog to a few miles every night before bed to try to replace the running; just making sure the walking is brisk.

Next week I'm also going to add sprint sessions on the elliptical before I lift.

That way, at least I'm mixing up the methods and doing what I can to compensate for the jogging.
Just curious, what kind of leg injury do you have? I have bad knees, but taking glucosamine / chondoitrine helped a lot. I replaced running with actual roadwork, going at least half the distance back and sidewards, stopping for pushups, bodyweight squats and shadowboxing a few times.
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Old 06-13-2008, 02:05 PM   #351
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Just curious, what kind of leg injury do you have? I have bad knees, but taking glucosamine / chondoitrine helped a lot. I replaced running with actual roadwork, going at least half the distance back and sidewards, stopping for pushups, bodyweight squats and shadowboxing a few times.
I was born club foot.
My right leg is smaller than my left, my right foot smaller by 2 shoe sizes, my right ankle smaller by an inch in circumference, my right calf by at least an inch and a half in circumference.

My right foot isn't just flat-footed, it bends backwards when I go up on my toes.
I don't have a callous on the ball of my right foot- but on the side of my foot.
I actually fight southpaw because I'm not able to push off the ball of my right foot much.

I've never been able to run fast. I was captain of my swim team in high school, and got my weight down to 140lbs at 5'10; but couldn't break a 7 minute mile. I was cut from every sport except swimming growing up.

When I jog more than maybe a mile, right away, after the first or second session, I'm immediately plagued with back, hip, and knee problems - that don't go away with regular jogging. It would heal up a little quicker when I was younger (and lighter) so I could at least jog a couple times a week. Problem's getting worse as I get older, it's not healing up as quick, so I'm on the look out for alternatives.

I like the elliptical crosstrainer (where you work your arms too), I usually set it on a real high setting & do sprints. It reminds me of a versaclimber when you put it on a high setting. When I go longer than 20 or 30 minutes, my feet start going numb. hehe

Walking's also not too bad. Wind-wise I don't feel anything, but apparently it's supposed to have similar V-O2 benefits to jogging.

Swimming's cool, but once you reach a certain level technique-wise, it takes a serious time commitment to get a decent workout. Swam for 40minutes the other weekend and barely felt like I'd done anything. I still try to make it to the pool at least once a week; more because I enjoy it than trying to get a workout. I imagine I'd have to swim 2 hours a session, 3 times a week to drop much weight from it.
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Old 06-16-2008, 11:46 AM   #352
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Hmmm. It seems to work for Calzaghe and for other greats like Monzon, Hagler, Robinson, Marciano, etc.

Either way, please express your opinions more clearly and with proper spelling and grammar.
these are all guys from my area marciano and hagler and i believ in the traditional methods mixed in with some new school techniques we are always tryin to advance ourselves
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Old 06-16-2008, 12:10 PM   #353
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I was born club foot.
My right leg is smaller than my left, my right foot smaller by 2 shoe sizes, my right ankle smaller by an inch in circumference, my right calf by at least an inch and a half in circumference.

My right foot isn't just flat-footed, it bends backwards when I go up on my toes.
I don't have a callous on the ball of my right foot- but on the side of my foot.
I actually fight southpaw because I'm not able to push off the ball of my right foot much.

I've never been able to run fast. I was captain of my swim team in high school, and got my weight down to 140lbs at 5'10; but couldn't break a 7 minute mile. I was cut from every sport except swimming growing up.

When I jog more than maybe a mile, right away, after the first or second session, I'm immediately plagued with back, hip, and knee problems - that don't go away with regular jogging. It would heal up a little quicker when I was younger (and lighter) so I could at least jog a couple times a week. Problem's getting worse as I get older, it's not healing up as quick, so I'm on the look out for alternatives.

I like the elliptical crosstrainer (where you work your arms too), I usually set it on a real high setting & do sprints. It reminds me of a versaclimber when you put it on a high setting. When I go longer than 20 or 30 minutes, my feet start going numb. hehe

Walking's also not too bad. Wind-wise I don't feel anything, but apparently it's supposed to have similar V-O2 benefits to jogging.

Swimming's cool, but once you reach a certain level technique-wise, it takes a serious time commitment to get a decent workout. Swam for 40minutes the other weekend and barely felt like I'd done anything. I still try to make it to the pool at least once a week; more because I enjoy it than trying to get a workout. I imagine I'd have to swim 2 hours a session, 3 times a week to drop much weight from it.
Oh, that sucks. Not much you can do about that. Good thing boxing is not a sport that requires symmetry, quite the opposite in fact (orthodox vs. southpaw).

How about rowing for exercise? A kayak for example? I love doing that, it's a decent workout. The weather doesn't always allow it though.
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Old 08-31-2011, 09:47 AM   #354
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Calzaghe does use 2kg weights I'm pretty sure I have seen him using them on his documentry
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Old 08-31-2011, 02:20 PM   #355
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Calzaghe does use 2kg weights I'm pretty sure I have seen him using them on his documentry
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Old 08-31-2011, 08:27 PM   #356
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i dont think muscles will make or break a boxer of calzaghes calibre. he wins not because of doing pushups and chinups, he wins because hes a better boxer. strength training is a small piece of the puzzle for many fighters. you can still be flexible and fast and have endurance if you lift. you just gotta know how to train. it can benefit anyone in my opinion. but alot of uneducated trainers frown upon it. they have very little knowledge of it
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Old 10-07-2013, 03:31 PM   #357
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Calzaghe's training routine works perfectly for him, but everyone's different. The fact that he's one of the most skilled boxers of all time helps to balance out the lack of any weight lifting in his routine.
zaghes needed the extra roadwork for his style to work,. that of outlasting superiorly skilled opponents.

Had he used weights he would have lost some of his extra fitness, becoming a weaker allround fighter and losing fights that he won through gassing out opps.
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Old 10-14-2013, 02:19 PM   #358
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This was the funniest thread i have ever read. Nobel prize for the most patient esb member goes to virus
There are still people who dont understand the difference between bodybuilding and weight training, and who dont know the basics of human anatomy and physiology.


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zaghes needed the extra roadwork for his style to work,. that of outlasting superiorly skilled opponents.

Had he used weights he would have lost some of his extra fitness, becoming a weaker allround fighter and losing fights that he won through gassing out opps.
And this isnt true.
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Old 10-15-2013, 02:32 PM   #359
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My brain hurts after skimming over this ****. So many ignorant re****s lived on this board in the past.

Lefty changed his opinion a hell of a lot after this thread. I do miss some of the guys, though, they were always good to laugh at.
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Old 10-15-2013, 04:38 PM   #360
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I was at work yesterday and on my breakes and in the library i scrolled through 23 pages of this ****,couldnt believe it Funny as hell!
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