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Old 11-05-2007, 01:39 PM   #76
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Ah,but relentless,none of the boxers you mentioned improved their speed or power after weight training,with the possible exception of kostya....
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Examples of significant boxers improving punch power,speed and stamina through weights please?
I dont need Your research links,i want real life working examples,not theories.....
Can your links turn chris byrd into a power puncher using weight training? (in fact chris probably did weight train but still not a great puncher,go figure!!!)
Relentless,i know many boxers use weights,but did they improve their speed and power when they did?
Did pbf,spinks,tyson,hearns,jones or hopkins get faster and more powerful after using the weights? No they did not,in fact they just got bigger for the next division but lost speed,definately stamina and maybe power in some cases....
you are thinking of bodybuilding, bodybuilding is different than weight training, kostya tszyu stayed at one division all his career while weight training, hatton also weight trained his entire career while staying at 140.

and no weight training does not build stamina, ****inhell do i even have to be telling you that?
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Old 11-05-2007, 01:39 PM   #78
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mayweather also doesn't have to, he is a natural welterweight but leonard ellerbe has him doing dead lifts squats and bench presses along with a few isolated movements
I think that's because Ellerbe gets to be the spotter
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Ah,but relentless,none of the boxers you mentioned improved their speed or power after weight training,with the possible exception of kostya....
how would you know that?

did you compare them with a speedometer?
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Old 11-05-2007, 01:41 PM   #80
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if bench press has zero to do with boxing dont you think its the same with push ups? push ups target the same muscle group, do you think weighted push ups are better?
To be honest I think the guy's to retarded to understand.
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Old 11-05-2007, 01:42 PM   #81
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To be honest I think the guy's to retarded to understand.
And here's the reason why the previous 600 debates were lots of fun
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Old 11-05-2007, 01:43 PM   #82
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the old days were better, we didn't have to argue with kids, but instead fags.
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Ah well, it wasted a bit of time.
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Old 11-05-2007, 01:48 PM   #84
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My take on it is you cannot fool nature. By lifting heavy objects your body adapts to lifting heavy objects. By punching your body adapts to punching. Lifting may have its use in boxing since boxing is more than just punching. Handling your opponent if he's a clincher, or perhaps if you're a Ruiz yourself.

I punch the heavy bag, I shadowbox (not every punch connects), etc. This builds my muscle memory, stamina, speed, strength, all at the same time. It doesn't get much better than that. All those theories are nice, but I trust nature more than some theory.

I've been a software engineer, what I know about theories and models is that if just one small variable is missing, they're 100% bullshit.
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but who is saying you have to replace all that? strength training is a supplement to your actual training, imo it should be done once a week,


surely rdj you agree with sprinting?

that kid says sprinting has nothing to do with boxing, but what does running 6 miles have to do with it?
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and haze you do know chad dawson has trained (probably still does) with john scully and ross enamait.
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You can see that the guys who weight train and move up tend to get slower by just watching them,dont be silly by saying you need a stopwatch to get that....
I didnt claim that weight training increases stamina,i know however that it decreases the stamina of lots....

I agree that weight training whilst maintaining the same weight can have some merit,but again i would like to see any examples of boxers IMPROVING after weight training,or is it impossible to see improvements in a boxer without a stopwatch relentless?
ps; great post rdj!
pps; correct weight training as a supplement wont work for everyone,same as pressups/body weight exercises wont work for everyone in improving speed/punch power,weight training might help in the clinch in some cases.....
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Old 11-05-2007, 01:52 PM   #88
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Obviously everyone here thinks lifting weights is bodybuilding, 8-12 reps, get that good old pump going.
Noone tried powerlifting? Westside Barbell?
Try a good dynamic bench day and tell me that ain't explosive!
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You can see that the guys who weight train and move up tend to get slower by just watching them,dont be silly by saying you need a stopwatch to get that....
I didnt claim that weight training increases stamina,i know howevet that it decreases the stamina of lots....

I agree that weight training whilst maintaining the same weight can have some merit,but again i would like to see any examples of boxers IMPROVING after weight training,or is it impossible to see improvements in a boxer without a stopwatch relentless?
weight training does not decrease stamina, lack of conditioning does, and which boxer are you talking about going slower after weight training?

STOP THINKING BODYBUILDING!!

and what the **** are you on about a stopwatch for boy?
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You can see that the guys who weight train and move up tend to get slower by just watching them,dont be silly by saying you need a stopwatch to get that....
I didnt claim that weight training increases stamina,i know howevet that it decreases the stamina of lots....
Yet again this is down to bad/incorrect ways of weight training.
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