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Old 11-10-2010, 03:59 AM   #16
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My point is. I think Katsidis as an Australian fighter is fighting the toughest 'in form' P4P fight an Australian has fought even surpassing Kostya....

A fair call Steve, and without devaluing it too much, it also depends how far you want to look back:

Lionel Rose fought a couple of rather handy p4p opponents in Japan's reigning world champ, the 50-3-0 Fighting Harada, and later Mexican KO king Ruben Oliveras, who was 51-0-1 when he took Rose's title.

Others Aussies like Tony Mundine Snr (Carlos Monzon 82-3-9) and Paul Ferreri (Carlos Zarate 42-0-0) also fought p4p legends for their titles oversees.
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Old 11-10-2010, 04:39 AM   #17
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Troy Waters v Terrible Terry Norris?
Yep Norris was P4P no3 at that time.

Not sure Mosley was no1 against Taylor but certainly top5

RJJ was no1 or no2 against Glen Kelly

Great topic, haven't had one of those on the Aussie forum for a while
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Old 11-10-2010, 05:10 AM   #18
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Sakio Bika took on Calzaghe after his demolition of Jeff Lacy, JC would have been top ten p4p at that stage.
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Old 11-10-2010, 06:22 AM   #19
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Green took on Mundine when he was mr two time... thats gotta count for something, right??....
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Old 11-10-2010, 06:28 AM   #20
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Green took on Mundine when he was mr two time... thats gotta count for something, right??....

It was Green's big chance to win Mundine's mystical World Galaxy Title too.

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Old 11-10-2010, 09:50 AM   #21
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skinny hussein knocked Manny Pacquiao down with a jab and nearly beat him (Manny wasnt P4P king then)
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Old 11-10-2010, 05:23 PM   #22
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Green took on Mundine when he was mr two time... thats gotta count for something, right??....
Someone had to go and spoil it with 2 names not worthy of this thread
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lol sorry. thought Id throw some sarcasm and humour into this thread...
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Katsidis has a great resume and JMM adds to it. It could be argued that JMM is on the slide though.....and even then, will Kats get past him?
What makes you think JMM is on the slide? Ignore the floyd fight, they should never have been in the ring together at that weight.
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Old 11-10-2010, 09:17 PM   #25
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This clearly isnt Marquez best weight...He isnt young and I think the Casa & Diaz fights showed a marked regression in his reflexes.

But he is that good, even slightly past prime he is among the best fighters in the world.

It would be a massive, massive win if Kat go up...make no mistake of that. We can argue how far Marquez is gone, how far away he is from his best weight etc. But he is the best lightweight in the world and one of the best fighters p4p easily, we cant argue that.
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Old 11-10-2010, 09:53 PM   #26
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Troy Waters v Terrible Terry Norris?
Oh yer this fight never gets the kudos that it should...I almost jumped threw the roof when Waters dropped him.
Sigh so close but so far.
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Old 11-10-2010, 10:12 PM   #27
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Oh yer this fight never gets the kudos that it should...I almost jumped threw the roof when Waters dropped him.
Sigh so close but so far.
Ditto.

Norris didn't stay down long. But it sure surprised him, and caused him some re-thinking.

Very courageous performance by Waters. He certainly didn't go home wondering what might have been - he had a real crack!
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Old 11-10-2010, 10:25 PM   #28
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Happy with the comments and agree on

Shannon Taylor V Shane Mosley

and

Kelly V RJJ

all in all Kats V Marquez since those has to be on par if not greater than an Australian going up against a P4P in form legend.

Thanks for responses !
winner. shane was in mind blowing form then..
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Old 11-10-2010, 10:51 PM   #29
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What makes you think JMM is on the slide? Ignore the floyd fight, they should never have been in the ring together at that weight.
Not sure, just age and the parabola.
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Old 11-10-2010, 11:25 PM   #30
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If Katsidis beats JMM, IMO it's a bit like Hatton taking the torch from Tszyu (even though I'm still dirty on Hatton and the ref for mugging Tszyu that night), similar sort of stages of their careers...
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