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Old 11-10-2010, 10:37 PM   #31
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If Katsidis beats JMM, IMO it's a bit like Hatton taking the torch from Tszyu (even though I'm still dirty on Hatton and the ref for mugging Tszyu that night), similar sort of stages of their careers...
Not a bad analogy
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Old 11-11-2010, 04:22 AM   #32
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Oh yer this fight never gets the kudos that it should...I almost jumped threw the roof when Waters dropped him.
Sigh so close but so far.

Was at that fight in San Diego and thanks to Troy was able to score some good seats.

I remember talking to Gus Mercurio afterwards and him saying he also came out of his chair when Norris went down. Sadly, he didn't stay there.

Great night though and great memories.
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Old 11-11-2010, 06:48 AM   #33
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Was at that fight in San Diego and thanks to Troy was able to score some good seats.

I remember talking to Gus Mercurio afterwards and him saying he also came out of his chair when Norris went down. Sadly, he didn't stay there.

Great night though and great memories.

Troy also fought Trindad but he wasn't top 5 P4P at that stage i don't think
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Old 11-11-2010, 05:03 PM   #34
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I guess there should be a shift in my proposition

Fair to say pretty much all the examples we have given, S Tayloy, T Norris, S Hussein, etc all fought gun and at the top P4P fighters no doubt, although only really K Tzsyu fought them and won. (yes he lost a couple as well) Although i realise now why in my original post i only mentioned KT because he beat them. These other fantastic OZ fighters did great, but lost. So moreso i see if and a BIG IF Katsidis beats Marquez thats more or less where i see it. One of the greatest 'recent' P4P victories by an aussie.

Thanks again folks! GO KATS
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Old 11-13-2010, 02:43 PM   #35
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A fair call Steve, and without devaluing it too much, it also depends how far you want to look back:

Lionel Rose fought a couple of rather handy p4p opponents in Japan's reigning world champ, the 50-3-0
Fighting Harada, and later Mexican KO king Ruben Oliveras, who was 51-0-1 when he took Rose's title.

Others Aussies like Tony Mundine Snr (Carlos Monzon 82-3-9) and Paul Ferreri (Carlos Zarate 42-0-0) also fought p4p legends for their titles overseas.
This... end of thread!
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Old 11-13-2010, 09:34 PM   #36
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Alf Blatch got knocked out by Henry Armstrong in 1937...He wins.
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Old 11-13-2010, 09:44 PM   #37
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you wouldnt think this fight is just around the corner going by the Australian Media. Its really a disgrace to Australian boxing when you have a good think about it, why Katsidis doesnt get the same attention in the media as Mundine and Green is just crazy. Im guessing the guys who write all these storys on Mundine and Green dont really have much of a clue in terms of boxing otherwise they would be all over this fight.

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Old 11-13-2010, 10:21 PM   #38
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No question if Kats manages to pull this one off, it will be a great win (amongst one of the best by an australian) considering the calibre of opposition.

Problem is if Kats wins, people will just say JMM is a shot fighter and grew old overnight.
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Old 11-14-2010, 05:11 AM   #39
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Star City was standing room only today for 2 non Aussies......... Bet we only get 10% for the Katsidis fight in 2wks .
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Old 11-14-2010, 07:06 AM   #40
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Another one...Glen Kelly fought a prime Jones Jr. and got embarassed.

Marquez is still a great fighter but is slightly past his prime.
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Old 11-15-2010, 01:59 AM   #41
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wheatley's new book has the top 40 all-time aussie performances.

all you mention get a start except the obvious no.1

JIMMY CARRUTHERS KO 1 UNDEFEATED UNDISPUTED BANTAMWEIGHT CHAMP VIC TOWEEL

KO 1 IN FRONT OF 40,O0O STH AFRICANS. CARFRUTHERS THREW 147 PUNCHES - TOWEEL THREW ONE THAT MISSED.

1. carruthers Ko 1 toweel
2. Rose W 15 Harada
3. Kostyha Ko 2 Tszyu
4 Green Ko 1 Jones
5 Harding TKO 12 Andries

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Old 11-15-2010, 02:04 AM   #42
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Hey, has Wheatley got a new book out?
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Old 11-15-2010, 02:12 AM   #43
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wheatley's new book has the top 40 all-time aussie performances.

all you mention get a start except the obvious no.1

JIMMY CARRUTHERS KO 1 UNDEFEATED UNDISPUTED BANTAMWEIGHT CHAMP VIC TOWEEL

KO 1 IN FRONT OF 40,O0O STH AFRICANS. CARFRUTHERS THREW 147 PUNCHES - TOWEEL THREW ONE THAT MISSED.

1. carruthers Ko 1 toweel
2. Rose W 15 Harada
3. Kostyha Ko 2 Tszyu
4 Green Ko 1 Jones
5 Harding TKO 12 Andries

Andries was nowhere near a pound for pound list when Harding beat him. Nor was Jones.
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Old 11-15-2010, 02:24 AM   #44
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Still great performances.
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Old 11-15-2010, 02:33 AM   #45
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I still think my one punch KO of Glen Pellas-Hughes at Victory Park in Castlemaine in 1989 was a pretty good performance. Probably the sweetest right hand ever thrown.
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