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Old 11-18-2010, 05:57 PM   #61
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I got the idea that he wasn't that comfortable against a bigger man in Flores, but maybe he was just testing himself at the new weight, as it was the first time he's fought that heavy and against a genuine CW.

It would be good to see him up against the top fighters in his division, and I think he would do better at LHW than CW, as IMO he isn't a true CW.

Actually, I'd like to see him get Hopkins down here, depending on how Hopkins goes vs Pascal. He appared to be keen to fight him after he beat RJJ. I know (again) it wouldn't be a true CW fight, but I'd like to see them get it on.
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Old 11-18-2010, 06:20 PM   #62
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Interesting stuff Rodin, I had heard he suffered some sort of condition that required his diet to be overhauled when he took up weith the Eels fitness team - he had to remove a lot of sugar from his diet (I remember him saying he was the Red Skin king in regard to the lollies he would eat during training) so I thought it was along the lines of diabetes - is metabolic acidosis a similar thing?

Also, does it have anything to do with his meltdown against Sullivan?

Do you think it would be physically unsafe for him to fight at LHW due to this condition?

Yes mate, it was the Sullivan fight that done it.

What generally happens, is that the neucleus of elecrolytes distribution is destroyed. This causes a built up of acid that the kidneys can't handle.
The blood Ph has to be artificially balanced again, generally with a drip or a series of injections. Treament after that is ongoing.
Lack of it & there's a chance that they will actually piss their kidneys away.

In Greyhounds, they will respond almost imediately by virtually "Drying out", become rigid & often have to be literally carried off the track.
Initial treatment is to specifically cool their brain down with saturated towels on the head. Hosing them down or immersing them in a bath will bring an onset of Pneumonia & most likey death.
Treament then is much the same as humans.

I am absolutely positive that had there not been a Doctor there, Danny may well have gone home to bed & that would have been distasterous.

Electrolytes are not performance enhancing & any law that doesn't allow atheletes of any kind to drink or take them is negligent, or even downright dangerous.
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Old 11-18-2010, 06:25 PM   #63
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I don't think he will go back down mate...he's got the IBO world title and thats a nice strap to get the big names down here....looks to be working so far.
Tend to agree.
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If Green gets beat by a CW then maybe but for the moment hes smashed or boxed better than all hes faced....if he beat Flores that easy he can compete at CW
That's a bit of a stretch. Green beat BJ, yes - easy, no. Green fought a smarter fight and won, but his skill set was no better. If BJ actually got in there and had a decent go, he could beat Green.
In other words, any top CW will give Green a flogging.

As for the other CW's he beat, c'mon now......
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I don't know why everybody is saying green needs to fight the top 2 guys in the division or leave.....where does it say he's got to be number 1 at CW?
It doesn't, but I think he should continue to fight real CW from here on, even if they are only at BJ's or slightly higher level.

And no stupid incentiveweight.


Although as much as I hate to say it, CW is a big range (25lb), there probably should be another class between CW and LHW. When you consider the gap between LHW and SM is only 7lb, and SM to MW is 8lb.
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Old 11-18-2010, 06:47 PM   #64
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Although as much as I hate to say it, CW is a big range (25lb), there probably should be another class between CW and LHW. When you consider the gap between LHW and SM is only 7lb, and SM to MW is 8lb.
We dont want sanctioning bodies creating more divisions thereby further diluting our sport.
Then again we have more titles than ever these days with the likes of the IBO creating paper titlists galore.
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We dont want sanctioning bodies creating more divisions thereby further diluting our sport.
No question, that's why I said 'I hate to say it'.

However do you agree the range in CW is unusually large compared to all the others.
Obviously the gap needs to become smaller as the weight goes down, however from 7-8lb in the nearby weights and then to CW being 25lb is a big jump.

Perhaps the better answer would be to spread the lower classes upwards in weight.
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Old 11-18-2010, 06:56 PM   #66
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No question, that's why I said 'I hate to say it'.

However do you agree the range in CW is unusually large compared to all the others.
Obviously the gap needs to become smaller as the weight goes down, however from 7-8lb in the nearby weights and then to CW being 25lb is a big jump.
I personally think 7-8 pounds is too small a gap.
I would rather have 160 & then next weight class is 175.
An ideal structure for boxing tho it wont happen is something like this.
105 - Strawweight
112 - Flyweight
118 - Bantamweight
126 - Featherweight
135 - Lightweight
147 - Welterweight
160 - Middleweight
175 - Light Heavyweight
200 - Cruiserweight
200+ - Heavyweight
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Old 11-18-2010, 07:09 PM   #67
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I personally think 7-8 pounds is too small a gap.
I would rather have 160 & then next weight class is 175.
An ideal structure for boxing tho it wont happen is something like this.
105 - Strawweight
112 - Flyweight
118 - Bantamweight
126 - Featherweight
135 - Lightweight
147 - Welterweight
160 - Middleweight
175 - Light Heavyweight
200 - Cruiserweight
200+ - Heavyweight
yeah but SMW was like a transit lounge now its one of the hottest divisions in boxing.
175-187 cruiserweight
187-200 Heavyweight(A)
like you have Australia and Australia A in cricket.
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Old 11-18-2010, 07:14 PM   #68
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I personally think 7-8 pounds is too small a gap.
I would rather have 160 & then next weight class is 175.
An ideal structure for boxing tho it wont happen is something like this.
105 - Strawweight
112 - Flyweight
118 - Bantamweight
126 - Featherweight
135 - Lightweight
147 - Welterweight
160 - Middleweight
175 - Light Heavyweight
200 - Cruiserweight
200+ - Heavyweight

still doesnt eliminate the 25lbs cruiser gap...
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Old 11-18-2010, 07:16 PM   #69
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I personally think 7-8 pounds is too small a gap.
I would rather have 160 & then next weight class is 175.
An ideal structure for boxing tho it wont happen is something like this.
105 - Strawweight
112 - Flyweight
118 - Bantamweight
126 - Featherweight
135 - Lightweight
147 - Welterweight
160 - Middleweight
175 - Light Heavyweight
200 - Cruiserweight
200+ - Heavyweight
Mmmmm, dunno.
I haven't thought about the lower weights too much, but I do agree that reducing the amount of classes is a good thing.
Though by doing that, the gaps naturally become greater as in your example.

I still think 25lb is a too much at CW though, but I don't have an asnwer.
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Old 11-18-2010, 07:18 PM   #70
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still doesnt eliminate the 25lbs cruiser gap...
I personally am happy with that weight gap.
If only there were less divisions with more 10-25 pound weight gaps.
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Old 11-18-2010, 07:30 PM   #71
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I personally think 7-8 pounds is too small a gap.
I would rather have 160 & then next weight class is 175.
An ideal structure for boxing tho it wont happen is something like this.
105 - Strawweight
112 - Flyweight
118 - Bantamweight
126 - Featherweight
135 - Lightweight
147 - Welterweight
160 - Middleweight
175 - Light Heavyweight
200 - Cruiserweight
200+ - Heavyweight
Are you serious?

IMO its just dangerous that fighters could be up to 4kgs apart in the lighter divisions.

Where does the JMW go....he cant drop down to 147 and he cant put on much more weight but he could be facing a guy 3kgs above his weight?

Same with the MW...cant drop anymore weight to get down and only makes 165 at biggest....that 10lbs he could he could be behind at the start.

Everybody hates "dannyweight" if this was to be the divisions then every fight would have a "danny weight" in the contract.
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Old 11-18-2010, 07:35 PM   #72
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Personally, I think the whole ****en wieght thing needs a reality check.
The whole lot of them are a ****en facade.

Weigh in 24 hours before. wring yourelf out to dangerous levels, then bloat yourself up to gain as great a fraudulent advantage.
Fighter are physically not capable of fighting at their weigh-in weight.
It's a load of shit.
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Old 11-18-2010, 08:01 PM   #73
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Are you serious?

IMO its just dangerous that fighters could be up to 4kgs apart in the lighter divisions.

Where does the JMW go....he cant drop down to 147 and he cant put on much more weight but he could be facing a guy 3kgs above his weight?

Same with the MW...cant drop anymore weight to get down and only makes 165 at biggest....that 10lbs he could he could be behind at the start.

Everybody hates "dannyweight" if this was to be the divisions then every fight would have a "danny weight" in the contract.
Well how about the current system for Heavyweights Ash.
Dont you think its unfair that someone cant get below 200 pounds but they only weigh max 220 like a David Haye or Eddie Chambers.
When they have the Klitschko brothers weighing near 250 or Valuev near 300.
Less divisions the better IMO, why do we need 17 divisions when 10-12 would suffice.
Diluting the product with more divisions just makes guys like your close friend Mundine & others easy to pick up "paper" titles.
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Well how about the current system for Heavyweights Ash.
Dont you think its unfair that someone cant get below 200 pounds but they only weigh max 220 like a David Haye or Eddie Chambers.
When they have the Klitschko brothers weighing near 250 or Valuev near 300.
Less divisions the better IMO, why do we need 17 divisions when 10-12 would suffice.
Diluting the product with more divisions just makes guys like your close friend Mundine & others easy to pick up "paper" titles.
For the record, I also think HW is wacko, for the reason you mention.
Still not sure of the answer, though I don't think having classes as wide as 25lb in the region of 150 to 200 or so is any good either.
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For the record, I also think HW is wacko, for the reason you mention.
Still not sure of the answer, though I don't think having classes as wide as 25lb in the region of 150 to 200 or so is any good either.
Well Cruiserweight was 190 for years until the last decade.

When they moved that up maybe they should have re-alligned Super Middle to 170 & Light Heavyweight to 180.
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