Is Froch now p4p worthy?

[theuppercut]

Originally Posted by Will

Regardless of P4P. there is no way you can have Ward ranked over Froch. I wait here with baited breath as to how you could do that!!!

Oh, you've opened a shit storm now

[Will]

Originally Posted by theuppercut

Oh, you've opened a shit storm now

You can only rate them oin wins!!!

Hows that goona happen?

Mirranda?

Come on.

[TFFP]

The fact that if I rank Froch ahead of Ward, Ward will school him and i will look like a reactionary dickhead when I have to change them, plus I'd feel a total moron. I like to be a little proactive when it comes to things like that, fighters in the same division and I think one easily has the beating of the other.

I don't do lists though so I'm not arsed, they've been proven time and again to be worthless.

[Flea Man]

Ummm....because he shut down the no.1 who in turn went on to beat Froch.

As I say Froch has more depth but sometimes a single win can be more prominent when ranking two fighters.

I currently rank Froch higher, but Ward is the real deal and I see the argument. Styles make fights but Wards win was impressive, with dirty tricks a veteran would be proud of.

[Flea Man]

Ward won't school Froch, he makes too many mistakes to do that, trying to rough Froch up and maul him in close will not do him any favours (nor will employing those tactics tonight against Bika) and he'll need to use his athleticism and complete bag of tricks to get the job done.

He is quality though, with pretty fast hands, adaptable and intelligent. He is also a complete feather fist though, and I doubt he'll be as negative as Dirrell and Froch will have more opportunities to make the fight more competitive.

116-112 to Ward, something like that I reckon.

[Will]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Ummm....because he shut down the no.1 who in turn went on to beat Froch.

As I say Froch has more depth but sometimes a single win can be more prominent when ranking two fighters.

I currently rank Froch higher, but Ward is the real deal and I see the argument. Styles make fights but Wards win was impressive, with dirty tricks a veteran would be proud of.

To rank a fighter you must use facts and at the moment the facts support Froch being higher despite Ward's impressive dommination of Kessler.

[Pug1list]

Facts support Ward easily being over Froch, not much intelligence needed to work this one out.

[TFFP]

I doubt Froch will win 4 rounds to be honest. I cant see where he's going to land punches, Ward will hold when he lunges in with cartoon character punches. If he tries to use his jab he'll fall short because Ward will circle him and keep his feet outside Froch's range. He'll just jab to Froch's chest, leap in and catch Froch using pure handspeed, he can slip and counter when Froch tries to put combinations together.

[Flea Man]

I have used facts. When do I not???

[Beouche]

Absolutely. You go on a run like he has over the past year or so and there's no way he ain't P4P top 10. Over the past year or two he's beaten a higher quality of opposition than virtually every other boxer out there, unlike Manny and Floyd he doesnt cherry pick his way to the top. Fantastic stuff from The Cobra

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by TFFP

I doubt Froch will win 4 rounds to be honest. I cant see where he's going to land punches, Ward will hold when he lunges in with cartoon character punches. If he tries to use his jab he'll fall short because Ward will circle him and keep his feet outside Froch's range. He'll just jab to Froch's chest, leap in and catch Froch using pure handspeed, he can slip and counter when Froch tries to put combinations together.

Froch is strong and awkward. This can cause athletic fighters problems, Ward has not shown anything too impressive in terms of defence this far. He's canny, no doubt, but Froch will impose his will on him and get some work done, as I say I don't see him having much success, but he can be cagey enough to keep Ward guessing and dictate some rounds.

Ward has too much in his game for Froch to overcome, I think he man mix his approach throughout to take the lions share, but don't see him clowning Froch at all.

[Will]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

I have used facts. When do I not???

I know you are and I believe at the moment you are ranking Froch above Ward which is fine.

[Will]

Originally Posted by Pug1list

Facts support Ward easily being over Froch, not much intelligence needed to work this one out.

I must be thick then.

Please explain the facts to me.

Just to point out the fact that you think Ward will beat Froch does not count as a fact!!!

[Earl-hickey]

Originally Posted by AndrewFFC

Ward should be higher.

Nope.

Ward right now is as untested as they come, apart from a dodgy kessler who clearly underrated him and got fouled to death

[TFFP]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Froch is strong and awkward. This can cause athletic fighters problems, Ward has not shown anything too impressive in terms of defence this far. He's canny, no doubt, but Froch will impose his will on him and get some work done, as I say I don't see him having much success, but he can be cagey enough to keep Ward guessing and dictate some rounds.

Ward has too much in his game for Froch to overcome, I think he man mix his approach throughout to take the lions share, but don't see him clowning Froch at all.

No? That's weird because I was pleading with Mikkel to land a right hand on what was considered a potentially eggy chin at the time. It never happened...no decent connections.

Miranda landed nothing, Green did nothing.

Ward hasn't taken any decent punches really since he was decked a long time ago so he simply must be doing a lot right defensively. I just can't envisage a scenario where Ward does not see those punches from Froch. Unless he gets a fly in his eye I don't see him connecting with much and the jab will be a complete non-entity, I already consider Ward an expert in diffusing that.

Froch might just wade in Dirrell style and try to get something done but he won't land much so 4 rounds is a stretch because Ward is not going to be as negative as Dirrell and simply hand rounds to Froch by default.