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Old 03-17-2012, 03:23 PM   #361
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Ali , Holmes , Louis , Wladimir , Vitali , Bowe , Markegiano , Frazier , Patterson and Liston all had primarily infraweak opposition during d vast majority of their reigns . In Frazier's , Bowe's , Holmes' and Patterson's cases it's obvious that they were protected fighters , in Vitali's and Wlad's (in Wlad's case only until a yr ago) cases it's obvious that their possible best opponents avoided them .
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Old 03-17-2012, 04:03 PM   #362
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The List

1) May 25, 1965..............KO 1........Sonny Liston
2) November 22, 1965......KO 12.......Floyd Patterson
3) March 29, 1966...........W DEC 15...George Chuvalo
4) May 21, 1966..............KO 6.........Henry Cooper
5) August 6, 1966............KO 3.........Brian London
6) September 10, 1966.....KO 12........Karl Mildenberger
7) November 14, 1966......KO 3..........Cleveland Williams
8} February 6, 1967.........W DEC 15...Ernie Terrell
9) March 22, 1967...........KO 7..........Zora Folley

Of the 74 Rounds that Muhammad Ali competed in,,,how many rounds did he lose..??
Could anyone on the above list be replaced with;
Eddie Machen
Doug Jones (Re-match)
Thad Spencer
Amos Lincoln
Amos Johnson
Eduardo Corletti
Oscar Bonavena
Roger Rischer
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Old 03-18-2012, 03:07 AM   #363
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Could anyone on the above list be replaced with;
Eddie Machen
Doug Jones (Re-match)
Thad Spencer
Amos Lincoln
Amos Johnson
Eduardo Corletti
Oscar Bonavena
Roger Rischer
Liston deserved a rematch because he was only stopped due 2 shoulder injury , Chuvalo proved he was a worthy challenger and yet unstopped and deserved n immediate rematch if anything so instead of being replaced he should actually b added again , Doug Jones definitely deserved a rematch , regarding d rest i know less .
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Old 03-18-2012, 10:14 AM   #364
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Either Eddie Machen and/or Doug Jones should have had the first opportunity at
the heavyweight title, after Cassius Clay won the title over Sonny Liston in
February 1964.

But, the deal makers had a signed contract, with Sonny getting a re-match if
he lost, plus the rights to the promotion, and other $$$.

Sonny Liston was the first heavyweight challenger to receive $1,000,000 +.
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Old 03-18-2012, 10:39 AM   #365
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Compared to some of the fights wlad has, not a chance
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Old 03-18-2012, 10:57 AM   #366
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I actually think it's 1 of the harder reigns, not the hardest, but harder than Jeffries, Johnson, Dempsey, Patterson, Wlad
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Old 03-18-2012, 11:37 AM   #367
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At least Muhammad Ali was busy,,,,,,,,,,

But does a heavy work load mean it was hard,,,,

Even a re-match with Billy Daniels draws some merit...
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Old 03-18-2012, 11:57 AM   #368
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I actually think it's 1 of the harder reigns, not the hardest, but harder than Jeffries, Johnson, Dempsey, Patterson, Wlad
I think Vlad's opponents were generally better than those of the '65-'67 Ali. Heavyweights from the '60s were just cruiserweights compared to today's guys (generally).
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Either Eddie Machen and/or Doug Jones should have had the first opportunity at
the heavyweight title, after Cassius Clay won the title over Sonny Liston in
February 1964.

But, the deal makers had a signed contract, with Sonny getting a re-match if
he lost, plus the rights to the promotion, and other $$$.

Sonny Liston was the first heavyweight challenger to receive $1,000,000 +.
Do you think both Liston-Ali fights were fixed? It appears that Sonny may have had an incentive to lose fight #1.
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Old 03-18-2012, 01:25 PM   #370
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Kenmore,


Oh Boy,,,,,,,,,,,Am I going to get clobbered on this answer.

YES

Sonny had an incentive to lose both fights.........Mucho Dinero plus other gifts..
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