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View Poll Results: where do you rank dempsey?
top 5 33 31.13%
top 10 39 36.79%
top 15 20 18.87%
top 20 5 4.72%
top 25 4 3.77%
not even in my top 100 5 4.72%
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Old 06-17-2007, 11:04 PM   #1
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Default Where do you rank Jack Dempsey??

vote. and discuss.
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Old 06-17-2007, 11:27 PM   #2
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p4p all time or hw.....im guessing you mean p4p
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Old 06-17-2007, 11:46 PM   #3
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was this a public poll because if it was how do you find out the voters......i want to know who voted for him out of the top 100
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Old 06-17-2007, 11:56 PM   #4
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Based on achievement i rank him in top 10.

Based on who he can beat head to head he´s not even in my top 50.

Which one are we voting here?
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Old 06-18-2007, 12:10 AM   #5
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was this a public poll because if it was how do you find out the voters......i want to know who voted for him out of the top 100
homicidal hank.
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Old 06-18-2007, 01:06 AM   #6
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I rank him in 18 of all time
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Old 06-18-2007, 01:19 AM   #7
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I rank him # 3. IMO, the GOAT debate should really be a three way affair. Dempsey is horribly underrated today. Until the guys who actually saw him fight started dying off, he was generally thought to have been greater than Louis. I'm not saying he was, but he was closer than people seem to think today.

Dempsey didn't just beat his opponents, he beat them up. People can downgrade his opposition all they want, but Dempsey didn't just beat the guys he fought, he destroyed them. That sort of dominance has to count for something - and like I said, it used to count for a great deal until the guys that followed his career passed away.
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Old 06-18-2007, 05:54 AM   #8
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Based on achievement i rank him in top 10.

Based on who he can beat head to head hes not even in my top 50.
I actually hold the reverse of this view of Dempsey.

I think he rates higher on who he can beat. Taken at his absolute peak I think he has a chance of beating any fighter that ever lived.

On his actual achievements ie. factor in the quality of opposition he actually beat and his amount of meaningful wins in his prime, I'd rate him lower, but still in the top 15, and probably top 10.
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Old 06-18-2007, 05:57 AM   #9
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There are a few heavyweights that I would not give any human being who had ever boxed much better than even odds against. Dempsey is one of them. As an ofensive fighter and infighter he is without peer at heavyweight.
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Old 06-18-2007, 06:00 AM   #10
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Willard was a big farmboy. Hardly a fair fight (Johnson obviously took a dive).
I am as big a suporter of Jack Johnson's resume as you will find on this site but I can asure you that he did not take a dive against Willard.

Don't doubt for a second that the knockout was legitimate.
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Old 06-18-2007, 06:16 AM   #11
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Around 11 or 12 - my HW list is on my other PC

Reasons for him not making the top10

1. Never beat a top30 ranked HW of all time

2. Weak overall comp

3. Never faced the best HWs of his era Wills, Langford, Godfrey, McVea, Jeanette, Jack Johnson, Harry Greb

4. Wills fought in the same ts Dempsey and has a better resume than Dempsey fighting much better competition.

5. Very innactive as champion

6. Losses to Tunney and in his days as a contender hurt him.

The following have far better wins in defining fights: Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Wills, Langford, Tyson, Holmes, Louis, Schmelling, Marciano, Walcott, Charles, Lennox Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe, Liston, Tunney, Jack Johnson.

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Old 06-18-2007, 06:24 AM   #12
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The following have far better wins in defining fights: Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Wills, Langford, Tyson, Holmes, Louis, Schmelling, Marciano, Walcott, Charles, Lennox Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe, Liston, Tunney, Jack Johnson.
Or is a little of what Dempsey acomplished getting lost in translation?
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Old 06-18-2007, 07:50 AM   #13
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Johnson is one of the fighters I know a little bit about; I'm quite happy he didn't take a dive.

I have Dempsey at #12. This is based primarily on how I see him going head to head and what i've seen him do on film. He'd be a handful for anyone, though I see the top guys beating him 2/3.

If Dempsey had Greb, Wills and maybe McVey (?) on his resume then i'd have to re-think things. Those would be some scalps.

I know i'm in the minority, but I also think he should have entertained Johnson.
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Old 06-18-2007, 07:55 AM   #14
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5. Very innactive as champion.
This winds me up too. Wasn't he the most inactive champ?

At least Willard assembled a mad travelling circus type affair. Dempsey just fannied about.
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Old 06-18-2007, 08:01 AM   #15
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I have him at around 9-10 on my greatest heavyweights.
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