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View Poll Results: where do you rank dempsey?
top 5 33 31.13%
top 10 39 36.79%
top 15 20 18.87%
top 20 5 4.72%
top 25 4 3.77%
not even in my top 100 5 4.72%
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Old 06-18-2007, 11:34 AM   #46
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Except for Gibbons, who made him look ordinary, he beat nobody of any merit whatsoever.

The Sharkey victory was complete bullshit. Sharkey was hardly a great fighter, and Dempsey had to foul to win.

He lost twice to the best light heavyweight of his day in Gene Tunney.

He's simply not a great heavyweight.

This is a classic case of myth of reality. People like the story of the Manassa Mauler so much they become delusional about his ability to compete among modern heavyweights.
So.... Dempsey gets owned by Shannon Briggs then, right?
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Old 06-18-2007, 11:50 AM   #47
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Definitely. Briggs would destroy Dempsey.

You don't seriously believe otherwise, do you? Seriously?
I don't want to apear delusional but what exactly dose Briggs have that might cause Dempsey any serious trouble?
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Old 06-18-2007, 11:52 AM   #48
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You look at the 10 best heavyweights for every decade of gloved boxing. Can Dempsey fit anywhere in there? For most decades, the answer is no.
In which decades exactly would Dempsey not be in the top 10?

I am curious to know.
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Old 06-18-2007, 11:53 AM   #49
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I made an historical observation. Over the past 100 years the heavyweight division has improved.
What improvments have their been since Dempsey's day exactly?
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Old 06-18-2007, 11:58 AM   #50
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Dempsey might not have faced his Lennox Lewis but he anihilated his Michael Moorer.
Who are you refering to ?
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Old 06-18-2007, 12:01 PM   #51
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What improvments have their been since Dempsey's day exactly?
"Improvements"? None. However, there have been a lot of big changes. Boxing in Dempsey's era was suited for that era, just like the modern day style is suited for the modern era. You simply cannot deny there is a massive contrast in styles. And it's ridiculous to think boxers could make the transition with ease.

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I don't want to apear delusional but what exactly dose Briggs have that might cause Dempsey any serious trouble?
A lot more power than anyone who knocked Dempsey down? He was hurt against Gene Tunney. A man who wasn't a heavy hitter. If he could knock Dempsey down, think about what Shannon Briggs would do. He could kill him and that's not an exaggeration either.



On achievements, probably about 12. Head to head with the rules of his era, 2-3. Head to head in the modern era, anything from 20-30.
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Old 06-18-2007, 12:08 PM   #52
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HH, u simply are the most biased poster on the forum. No use arguing with someone who claims Dempsey is at the bottom of the top 100.
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Old 06-18-2007, 12:10 PM   #53
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Dempsey might not have faced his Lennox Lewis but he anihilated his Michael Moorer.
Michael Moorer = Tunney
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Old 06-18-2007, 12:12 PM   #54
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Definitely. Briggs would destroy Dempsey.

You don't seriously believe otherwise, do you? Seriously?
coming from a guy who thinks of Roy Jones as an atg heavy, of course u can't expect more
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Old 06-18-2007, 12:12 PM   #55
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HH, u simply are the most biased poster on the forum. No use arguing with someone who claims Dempsey is at the bottom of the top 100.

I still had to laugh regardless.
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Old 06-18-2007, 12:13 PM   #56
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Michael Moorer = Tunney
No Tunney is way better then Moorer. Moorer more comparable to Gibbons
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Old 06-18-2007, 12:13 PM   #57
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"Improvements"? None. However, there have been a lot of big changes. Boxing in Dempsey's era was suited for that era, just like the modern day style is suited for the modern era. You simply cannot deny there is a massive contrast in styles. And it's ridiculous to think boxers could make the transition with ease.
If we are ranking the greatest fighters over the past 100 years then surely the fighters should be ranked acording to how efective they were under the rule set of their own time.

If you grade them on how they would fair under the curent rule set then you are efectively taking a rule set from a random point in time and biasing the results in favour of fighters from that time.

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A lot more power than anyone who knocked Dempsey down? He was hurt against Gene Tunney. A man who wasn't a heavy hitter. If he could knock Dempsey down, think about what Shannon Briggs would do.
Briggs has pleanty of power but not much else. So did Jess Willard and Carl Moriss and look what good it did them.

The reason that Tunney knocked Dempsey down while they did not was because he had superb boxing technique and could tag Dempsey with shots he did not see coming.

Virtualy every heavyweight champion has been droped by sombody with much less power than Briggs and it has not got him verry far.
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Old 06-18-2007, 12:25 PM   #58
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Michael Moorer = Tunney
Let's say for the sake of argument that Michael Moorer is equal to Battling Levinski, Georges Carpinter or Tommy Gibbons.
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Old 06-18-2007, 12:29 PM   #59
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Any one who says dempseys not a top 75 all time great,should leave the board and go back to there beer,FFS i cant believe the shit i read sometimes on here,mostly its a great place to find things out,from guys who know more about boxing then anyone,but seriously at other times its sad as hell.
He was a legend then,and was treated like one,we are seriouly failing to think on this rightly so,go back to his day and say he was shit,and you would get probaly killed and rightly so.
Also its a pity he never took on the black boxers,but its funny how people knick HIM and his record,but are more then willying to say the black guys were great and could have won,how the hell do you know this?
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Old 06-18-2007, 12:38 PM   #60
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That's ridiculous. Moorer would beat both Tunney and Gibbons easily.
How do you know?
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