Prime Lennox Lewis

BUMPY KNUCKLES · 12-15-2010, 11:41 AM

I know most people rank Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali the top 2 heavys of all time but...
Prime Lennox Lewis , could Joe Louis or Muhammad Ali really have beaten Lennox i dont think so i think lennox was to superior technically i think he was too strong and i think he would have beaten any heavyweight in history if it was a prime vs prime scenario if you disagree please tell me how you think either man would have beaten him because going over it in my head i cant see it happening ...

alexvoce · 12-15-2010, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BUMPY KNUCKLES

I know most people rank Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali the top 2 heavys of all time but...
Prime Lennox Lewis , could Joe Louis or Muhammad Ali really have beaten Lennox i dont think so i think lennox was to superior technically i think he was too strong and i think he would have beaten any heavyweight in history if it was a prime vs prime scenario if you disagree please tell me how you think either man would have beaten him because going over it in my head i cant see it happening ...

he would have beaten ali easily, joe louis would be a good fight. Tyson prime would have beaten him.

manbearpig · 12-15-2010, 12:09 PM

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he would have beaten ali easily, joe louis would be a good fight. Tyson prime would have beaten him.

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Foreman Hook · 12-15-2010, 12:26 PM

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Foreman Hook · 12-15-2010, 12:28 PM

Prime Lenny Lewis KO's Prime Louis And decisions Prime Ali.

BUT - PRIME 1973 Big George KO's Lenny in 6 Roundz of Haymakers.

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nahkis · 12-15-2010, 12:37 PM

No.

Stevie G · 12-15-2010, 12:41 PM

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Stevie G · 12-15-2010, 12:43 PM

Ali decisions Lennox. Too fast,and he'd stand up to any haymakers that he'd get caught with. Lewis and Louis would be an interesting one.

BUMPY KNUCKLES · 12-15-2010, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Foreman Hook

Prime Lenny Lewis KO's Prime Louis And decisions Prime Ali.

BUT - PRIME 1973 Big George KO's Lenny in 6 Roundz of Haymakers.

I LOVE your G-Man avvy!

Foreman Hooooooooooooooooooooooook!!

ye i mean prime george is the only contender in my eyes

BUMPY KNUCKLES · 12-15-2010, 12:45 PM

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Ali decisions Lennox. Too fast,and he'd stand up to any haymakers that he'd get caught with. Lewis and Louis would be an interesting one.

i think when u take into account the size difference between lennox and louis a knockout is inevitable

Peter Brit · 12-15-2010, 01:16 PM

Well Evander Holyfield proved a natural 200 pound exceptional fighter could still at least hold their own against the 235 super heavies. Ali had the speed and footwork in the 60's to run rings round anybody. So Ali I believe would beat Lewis. Joe Louis fought big heavyweights as big as Lennox. They were exceptions for there time. There was not a big pool of super heavyweights with great skills in Louis era. Joe Louis style would not work any better than Holyfield against Lennox and riddick Bowe for my money.

So Ali no
Joe Louis yes

If Joe Louis could adapt his style to be less open in taking shots e.g. a bit more Walcott but with full concentration it could be interesting. Plucking Joe louis from history and putting him in 1995 with lennox would only have one outcome a lewis knock out. Joe louis never need to adapt for his era so it is a bit unfair to ask the question.

Rock0052 · 12-15-2010, 01:47 PM

They all would've been competitive fights, and any combination of wins and losses wouldn't surprise me.

I do think Lennox's pure skills get overrated- not that he wasn't damn good, but he got alot of mileage off of having physical advantages to execute simpler gameplans moreso than putting on boxing masterclasses. I still can't get over how he was getting outjabbed by Ray Mercer and arguably lost that fight (no rematch, funnily enough). The Rahman knockout was a result of laying on the ropes (why is the bigger man laying on the ropes?) with his guard open.

Again, don't misinterpret- Lewis was a hell of a fighter, but he was more apt to demolish an opponent than to school them. If a fighter can outlast the punishment Lennox would inflict, he could be outboxed and left openings for those who could take advantage of them.

Ali and Louis were good enough to do so, but they'd be damn good fights regardless of who wins. Louis-Lewis would be far more fan friendly, though.

Vanboxingfan · 12-15-2010, 02:31 PM

I'd personally say Lewis could conceivably beat all the ATG heavyweights, but the one's he could loose to include Ali, by decision, Tyson by KO, and less likely but possible, Holmes by decision, and Foreman by KO.

Others such as Louis and Liston, also have an outside chance of beating him, but would likely loose more often than not.

But if there was a round robin of ATG fighters, it wouldn't surprise me if Lewis won.

tommygun711 · 12-15-2010, 02:39 PM

Ali and Louis both beat Lewis. Louis too good with his combos, despite being a smaller man.
Ali has faced size and reach differences before. Please don't try to use that as a reason to why Lewis Would beat Ali. Say, because of his power and jab, then it's a different story. I still see ali's speed and durability negating anything Lewis tries to do. And Ali has stopped very durable men before. definitely a chance for a stoppage for Ali.

As for Louis, I see his combos and speed being too much for Lewis.

lefthook31 · 12-15-2010, 04:06 PM

Lewis was a good fighter. He was big and strong and well disciplined, but he fought a lot of slow plodding technically inept fighters, so a lot of his shortcomings were covered up.
I wasnt impressed with him beating big strong guys with little talent, (the Briggs, Grant, Golota level fighters), and fights with Mercer, Bruno and Vitali who he struggled with really put into proper perspective for me that he was not that great of a fighter overall. I think he would have struggled with some of the more mobile fighters of the mid to late 80's, and it was interesting that the fighters he did struggle with were more along the lines of 80's fighters. Guys with jabs and movement.
Lewis was technically superior to his competition but equalled them in size so he always had a big advantage. I dont think he would have had the same success had he come into his prime years in the late 80's because the boxers would have troubled him. He faced a lot of big guys who just stood in front of him.
I think had he fought Bowe after Bowe fought Holyfield he would have had a real short career.

12-15-2010, 11:41 AM	#1
BUMPY KNUCKLES Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 4,528 vCash: 75	Prime Lennox Lewis I know most people rank Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali the top 2 heavys of all time but... Prime Lennox Lewis , could Joe Louis or Muhammad Ali really have beaten Lennox i dont think so i think lennox was to superior technically i think he was too strong and i think he would have beaten any heavyweight in history if it was a prime vs prime scenario if you disagree please tell me how you think either man would have beaten him because going over it in my head i cant see it happening ...
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Foreman Hook ☆☆☆ G$ora ☆☆☆ ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Thugz Mansion Posts: 4,378 vCash: 600	Re: Prime Lennox Lewis Prime Lenny Lewis KO's Prime Louis And decisions Prime Ali. BUT - PRIME 1973 Big George KO's Lenny in 6 Roundz of Haymakers. I LOVE your G-Man avvy! Foreman Hooooooooooooooooooooooook!!
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Stevie G Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: London,England Posts: 10,623 vCash: 1000	Re: Prime Lennox Lewis Ali decisions Lennox. Too fast,and he'd stand up to any haymakers that he'd get caught with. Lewis and Louis would be an interesting one.
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Peter Brit Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 235 vCash: 500	Re: Prime Lennox Lewis Well Evander Holyfield proved a natural 200 pound exceptional fighter could still at least hold their own against the 235 super heavies. Ali had the speed and footwork in the 60's to run rings round anybody. So Ali I believe would beat Lewis. Joe Louis fought big heavyweights as big as Lennox. They were exceptions for there time. There was not a big pool of super heavyweights with great skills in Louis era. Joe Louis style would not work any better than Holyfield against Lennox and riddick Bowe for my money. So Ali no Joe Louis yes If Joe Louis could adapt his style to be less open in taking shots e.g. a bit more Walcott but with full concentration it could be interesting. Plucking Joe louis from history and putting him in 1995 with lennox would only have one outcome a lewis knock out. Joe louis never need to adapt for his era so it is a bit unfair to ask the question.
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12-15-2010, 01:47 PM	#12
Rock0052 Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 8,339 vCash: 75	Re: Prime Lennox Lewis They all would've been competitive fights, and any combination of wins and losses wouldn't surprise me. I do think Lennox's pure skills get overrated- not that he wasn't damn good, but he got alot of mileage off of having physical advantages to execute simpler gameplans moreso than putting on boxing masterclasses. I still can't get over how he was getting outjabbed by Ray Mercer and arguably lost that fight (no rematch, funnily enough). The Rahman knockout was a result of laying on the ropes (why is the bigger man laying on the ropes?) with his guard open. Again, don't misinterpret- Lewis was a hell of a fighter, but he was more apt to demolish an opponent than to school them. If a fighter can outlast the punishment Lennox would inflict, he could be outboxed and left openings for those who could take advantage of them. Ali and Louis were good enough to do so, but they'd be damn good fights regardless of who wins. Louis-Lewis would be far more fan friendly, though.
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12-15-2010, 02:31 PM	#13
Vanboxingfan Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Posts: 3,037 vCash: 1000	Re: Prime Lennox Lewis I'd personally say Lewis could conceivably beat all the ATG heavyweights, but the one's he could loose to include Ali, by decision, Tyson by KO, and less likely but possible, Holmes by decision, and Foreman by KO. Others such as Louis and Liston, also have an outside chance of beating him, but would likely loose more often than not. But if there was a round robin of ATG fighters, it wouldn't surprise me if Lewis won.
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12-15-2010, 02:39 PM	#14
tommygun711 Marquez UD12 Pacquiao. East Side Guru Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 7,654 vCash: 0	Re: Prime Lennox Lewis Ali and Louis both beat Lewis. Louis too good with his combos, despite being a smaller man. Ali has faced size and reach differences before. Please don't try to use that as a reason to why Lewis Would beat Ali. Say, because of his power and jab, then it's a different story. I still see ali's speed and durability negating anything Lewis tries to do. And Ali has stopped very durable men before. definitely a chance for a stoppage for Ali. As for Louis, I see his combos and speed being too much for Lewis.
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12-15-2010, 04:06 PM	#15
lefthook31 Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: in a boxing gym near you Posts: 10,498 vCash: 1000	Re: Prime Lennox Lewis Lewis was a good fighter. He was big and strong and well disciplined, but he fought a lot of slow plodding technically inept fighters, so a lot of his shortcomings were covered up. I wasnt impressed with him beating big strong guys with little talent, (the Briggs, Grant, Golota level fighters), and fights with Mercer, Bruno and Vitali who he struggled with really put into proper perspective for me that he was not that great of a fighter overall. I think he would have struggled with some of the more mobile fighters of the mid to late 80's, and it was interesting that the fighters he did struggle with were more along the lines of 80's fighters. Guys with jabs and movement. Lewis was technically superior to his competition but equalled them in size so he always had a big advantage. I dont think he would have had the same success had he come into his prime years in the late 80's because the boxers would have troubled him. He faced a lot of big guys who just stood in front of him. I think had he fought Bowe after Bowe fought Holyfield he would have had a real short career.
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