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Old 12-21-2010, 12:43 PM   #46
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How far off those scribes were back then in their low opinion of Quarry. What a bunch of know-nothings. Quarry also would have made short work of Bobick, maybe as fast as Norton dispatched him.
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Old 12-21-2010, 12:52 PM   #47
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YEP,

Jerry Quarry even made a statement back in 1968, just before his Title fight with
Jimmy Ellis.
'Even if I win the title, the boxing writers would drive by my house, and throw garbage all over the front lawn'.
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Old 12-21-2010, 01:15 PM   #48
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Maybe Duane Bobicks worst effort ever.
4/22/74
Norfolk, Virginia
Duane Bobick was 20-0-0 (19 KO's)
his opponent Lou Baliey, with a record of 17-41-5

NBC was scouting Bobick, to determine if they would nationally broadcast his next fight.
Bobick won a 10-Round decision, but proceeded to stink out the place.
With $$$ money chips on the line, he failed to deliver again.
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Old 12-21-2010, 02:41 PM   #49
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Since you have such a vast knowledge about these bouts and the top amateurs , where did you place Wells in the mix among all of these amateur greats?
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Old 12-21-2010, 03:10 PM   #50
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kolkade4,

From what I remember, after Duane Bobick turned pro in 1973, Nick Wells was
regarded as the best U.S Heavyweight Amateur.
I know Bobick was thinking of staying amateur another 2-years, in an attempt to
redeem himself in the 1974 World Games.
But the U. S Boxing team wanted him out.

I do recall, Wells blasting everybody out. It was Nick Wells and Jimmy Clark
out of Westchester, Pennsylvania, as the top guys.

I don't think the 1972 National AAU Tournament that Nick won in October 1972, got much much national attention.
The wind was 'out of the sails' after the 1972 Olympic disaster.
The 72' US Team was promoted big time, and the Duane Bobick loss put a vise an on the amateur group.

I don't know if Nick was involved in the 1973 or 1974 Heavyweight-only Tournament, between the USA vs. Ireland. USA won all 8 bouts, 6 by knock-out.
That match was broadcast by ABC, touting the new crop of US Amateur Heavyweights.

As a pro, I do remember him being promoted big time when he came to New York City,
my home area. He was on the undercard of the highly promoted Guy 'The Rock' Casale
versus Bobby Halpren fight, held in Madison Square Garden in May of 1978.
Nick came in with all knock-out wins, but faded, in losing to G.G. Maldonado.

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Old 12-21-2010, 07:40 PM   #51
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kolkade4,

From what I remember, after Duane Bobick turned pro in 1973, Nick Wells was
regarded as the best U.S Heavyweight Amateur.
I know Bobick was thinking of staying amateur another 2-years, in an attempt to
redeem himself in the 1974 World Games.
But the U. S Boxing team wanted him out.

I do recall, Wells blasting everybody out. It was Nick Wells and Jimmy Clark
out of Westchester, Pennsylvania, as the top guys.

I don't think the 1972 National AAU Tournament that Nick won in October 1972, got much much national attention.
The wind was 'out of the sails' after the 1972 Olympic disaster.
The 72' US Team was promoted big time, and the Duane Bobick loss put a vise an on the amateur group.

I don't know if Nick was involved in the 1973 or 1974 Heavyweight-only Tournament, between the USA vs. Ireland. USA won all 8 bouts, 6 by knock-out.
That match was broadcast by ABC, touting the new crop of US Amateur Heavyweights.

As a pro, I do remember him being promoted big time when he came to New York City,
my home area. He was on the undercard of the highly promoted Guy 'The Rock' Casale
versus Bobby Halpren fight, held in Madison Square Garden in May of 1978.
Nick came in with all knock-out wins, but faded, in losing to G.G. Maldonado.
I can't beleive you know as much as you do , I will try my best to the resources that you mentioned. I f you can remeber more of the USA vs THE world please do share more , so interesting.
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Old 12-21-2010, 07:59 PM   #52
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Not that it matters but didn't Bobick blame the Norton loss on getting punched in the throat and he couldn't breathe?
Norton could not missed with his "home run" right hand in the fight. Norton had Bobick badly hurt when Bobick got hit in the throat. A lot of people say Bobick lost by getting caught in the throat. That is not accurate, as Norton had pretty much beat the shit out of Bobick by then.
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Old 12-21-2010, 09:11 PM   #53
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Curtis,
Yes, it was a complete 'blow-out'.
Interesting thing though, Bobick actually landed the first couple of punches and backed Kenny up.
Then, Bobick got a little careless and leaned forward, to throw a punch, and Kenny whipped that overhand right to Bobicks left side temple area. 'Bobicks achilles heal'
"Thats all she wrote'
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Old 12-21-2010, 10:07 PM   #54
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kolkade4,

I know I started this as a Duane Bobick post, but.

Nick Wells, 1972 CISM World Military Games @ Trevisio, Italy
June 1972.
CISM Heavyweight Championship
Nick Wells (USA) KO 1 Guglielmo Spinello (Italy)

That tape is around somewhere. Italian TV.
But since their countryman got knocked-out, they may have burned it.
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Old 12-22-2010, 07:31 AM   #55
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kolkade4,

I know I started this as a Duane Bobick post, but.

Nick Wells, 1972 CISM World Military Games @ Trevisio, Italy
June 1972.
CISM Heavyweight Championship
Nick Wells (USA) KO 1 Guglielmo Spinello (Italy)

That tape is around somewhere. Italian TV.
But since their countryman got knocked-out, they may have burned it.
Funny you say that. Nick was speaking at the local Rotary Club last and told a story on this fight.
After he had knocked out the Italian, the crowd was whistling at him, and Nick thought they were cheering for him so he raised his hands in Victory and was walking around the ring with his hands raised. Little did he know that in Italy and I believe alot of Europe that whistling is their version of "BOOING" . Nick's coach quickly ran over to him and said "Nick . stop that , put your hands down" Nick was puzzled why , because he thought they were cheering him on, the coach quickly repiled,"Because they will kill you" Nick put his hands down quickly and made a beeline to the team locker room.
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Old 12-22-2010, 08:24 AM   #56
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Bobick froze and choked up when hurt...that was his fatal flaw as a fighter...and I can see a fight between him and Ali being somewhat like the Ali-Lyle fight, only a shorter fight..Bobick, plodding along and having minor success for 6 or 7 rounds, and then Ali landing a quick, single right which would stun and hurt Bobick..he would basically shut down and Ali's follow up flurry would eventually have Bobick down and hanging onto the bottom ropes, with the fight stoped on a tko.
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Old 12-22-2010, 12:24 PM   #57
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I think style-wise, Bobick may have hung in there for the whole 15 rounds.
He never burned himself out, throwing useless punches.
He was well-schooled in that aspect.
If Ali didn't have the big-power, which was escaping him, he probably would have just boxed from the outside.
Probably a comfortable decision win, while making Bobick look presentable.
A Mac Foster remake.
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Old 12-22-2010, 01:32 PM   #58
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I think style-wise, Bobick may have hung in there for the whole 15 rounds.
He never burned himself out, throwing useless punches.
He was well-schooled in that aspect.
If Ali didn't have the big-power, which was escaping him, he probably would have just boxed from the outside.
Probably a comfortable decision win, while making Bobick look presentable.
A Mac Foster remake.
That's what I think. Duane needed time to warm up and get going. Being caught cold (Norton/Tate), or otherwise by a massively crushing right (Stevenson/Knoetze) was the way to wipe him out. Not Ali's game. Nor was Muhammad carving people up anymore like he did Cooper twice. Writers were betting the rent on Ali-Wepner ending in another bloodbath for Chuck, but the razors were gone from Muhammad's fists. Bobick wouldn't have an answer for Ali's long right scoring points, but it's reasonable to suggest that wouldn't produce a stoppage win by this time.

Having said that, I suspect Ali would have seized on Frazier's management of Bobick to hype up the promotion.
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Old 12-22-2010, 01:41 PM   #59
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DUO,

If an Ali vs. Bobick fight were held at Metropolitan Stadium, in Minnesota, in
the fall of 1976 or late-spring 1977, the place would have sold out.

That fight would have been one of the top grossing fights in Heavyweight History, up to
that point.
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DUO,

If an Ali vs. Bobick fight were held at Metropolitan Stadium, in Minnesota, in
the fall of 1976 or late-spring 1977, the place would have sold out.

That fight would have been one of the top grossing fights in Heavyweight History, up to
that point.
If the Ali vs Bobick fight ever did take place it would resemble the Ali Quarry fights, meaninG ali would have beat Bobick to the punch and forced a stoppage on either cuts or the fact that Bobick would eventually not have been able to defend himself. IMO
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