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Old 12-26-2010, 10:51 PM   #16
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Duce, i thought you were reprinting this stuff from other sources but it seems this is all coming from you. What's your association to the activities of Liston at this time or were just a big fan?

I am in the process of completing a proper history and pictorial book about Sonny Liston.
I met him in 1962, at The Pines Resort and Hotel, South Fallsburg, NY,
while he was training for Floyd Patterson.

Plus, over 40 years of accumulating alot of data.
I'm trying take this in a different direction, instead of the same old
fixed-fight in Miami, and ''Phantom Punch' stuff thats already been told or re-hashed a hundred times.
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I am in the process of completing a proper history and pictorial book about Sonny Liston.
I met him in 1962, at The Pines Resort and Hotel, South Fallsburg, NY,
while he was training for Floyd Patterson.

Plus, over 40 years of accumulating alot of data.
I'm trying take this in a different direction, instead of the same old
fixed-fight in Miami, and ''Phantom Punch' stuff thats already been told or re-hashed a hundred times.
Sweet. I am really enjoying this and am sure I am not the only one.
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Old 12-26-2010, 11:28 PM   #18
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Sweet. I am really enjoying this and am sure I am not the only one.
Seamus,,,,Thank You

The surprising thing about Sonny.
Alot of guys who were scheduled to fight him, cancelled on him.
It was getting difficult to get good fights, and he had to take many of his later fights against journeymen because he needed to live.

He really wanted to fight Ingemar Johansson in the fall of 1963, and then retire.
That fight would have been big $$$$$.
He did not want or could get up for the Cassius Clay fight in Miami.
Then he got invloved with the business-end, and the expenses started to
accumulate.
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Did you later hear anything about him trying to get a fight with Frazier?

What do you reckon his real birthdate to be?
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Seamus,

From what I have in my records, he definitely was born earlier than May 1932.
I did seach all school records in Pine Bluff, Arkansas.
I keep coming up with 1927, which would make him 5 years older than he claimed.

Some of my contacts that graduated High School in 1945/1946 in that region, claim to have gone to Kindergarten with Charles Liston. But he only went to First Grade for a short period, and never went back to school.
They claim he was in school in 1932/1933.

A Joe Frazier fight was never in the works, despite what people say.
In June 1969, the Sonny Liston vs Leotis Martin, NABF Title fight winner would have been offered (offered only) a shot versus WBA Heavyweight Champ Jimmy Ellis.

But the bout that would have probably taken place, would most likely have been against Buster Mathis, for
late-August or early Septmeber 1969, in Las Vegas.
Buster Mathis had just lost to Jerry Quarry in NYC, but was available for a NABF shot.
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Old 12-27-2010, 01:36 AM   #21
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Johnny,

The fight card that night, opened up with the Welterweight fight from Syracuse.
At the War Memorial Auditorium, at 8:30 PM
# 8 Welterweight Billy Backus (19-8-3) KO 5 over Fred Cobb (9-2-2)
Backus was a popular Welterweight fighter from upstate New York, at the time.

Sonny Liston vs. Roger Rischer went on in Pittsburg at 9:20 PM.

George Chuvalo vs Dante Cane from Toronto, Canada went on at 10:00 PM.
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Seamus,

From what I have in my records, he definitely was born earlier than May 1932.
I did seach all school records in Pine Bluff, Arkansas.
I keep coming up with 1927, which would make him 5 years older than he claimed.

Some of my contacts that graduated High School in 1945/1946 in that region, claim to have gone to Kindergarten with Charles Liston. But he only went to First Grade for a short period, and never went back to school.
They claim he was in school in 1932/1933.

A Joe Frazier fight was never in the works, despite what people say.
In June 1969, the Sonny Liston vs Leotis Martin, NABF Title fight winner would have been offered (offered only) a shot versus WBA Heavyweight Champ Jimmy Ellis.

But the bout that would have probably taken place, would most likely have been against Buster Mathis, for
late-August or early Septmeber 1969, in Las Vegas.
Buster Mathis had just lost to Jerry Quarry in NYC, but was available for a NABF shot.
1927 is what i've always believed.keep it up, i enjoy reading about liston too.
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Old 12-27-2010, 05:34 PM   #23
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Tuesday, November 12, 1968
Civic Arena, Pittsburg, Pennsylvania
9:20 PM

Benefit for Benjamin Anolik

# 5 Sonny Liston; 44-3-0 (34 KO'S),,age 36,, 6' 1",, 219 lbs.
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# 8 Roger Rischer; 29-11-2 (13 KO's),,age 35,, 6' 0",, 200 lbs.

Round 1;
Sonny Liston comes out slow to the center ring, Roger Rischer throws the first punch,
a right hand over the top, that glances off Listons head.
Liston fires back with a power jab, then flicks off 2 quick jabs.
Rischer slides to his left, to avoid another one of Listons power jabs.
Liston digs a left-right to Rischers soft middle, and Roger backs up.

Rischer attempts a left-right, but misses as Liston ducks under them.
Liston counters with a short right, but misses a follow-up left hook.
Rischer gets in close to Liston, and attempts a 3-punch flurry. Nothing lands.
Liston lands a heavy jab, but misses with a right hook to the body.

Liston moves forward, and lands 2 more heavy left jabs. Rischer moves back to the
ropes. Liston misses a left hook, but lands a good right hand to the body.
Liston lands a solid left, that shakes Rischer.
Rischer shoots a straight right that lands on an open Liston.
Liston steps back, and moves back in and unloads a heavy left hook to the body,
which causes Rischer to bend over.

Roger Rischer tries to stay in-close, to prevent Liston from getting long-range leverage.
It works, as Rischer lands several light body punches, which neutralize's Liston for 25-seconds.
Liston scores with a glancing left hook to Rischers head at rounds end.

Round 1 Ends.

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Round 2;

Liston moves to ring-center, and starts off with a heavy jab.
Rischer shoots back with a quick jab, but misses with a follow up jab.
Liston shoots 2 heavy jabs to Rischer's head, and follows with a straight right that misses.
Liston is pressing the action, and fires another heavy jab that lands.
Rishcher ducks under a wild left hook, and counters with a short left.

Liston lands a big left hook, his best punch of the fight.
Rischer rocks back, but recovers.
Liston moves in, but Rischer is able to hold him off by firing a 3-punch combination.
Liston backs off, but fires a solid straight left that snaps Rischers head.

Liston moves in, and fires a 3-punch combination to the body.
Rischer holds.
Liston is coming on strong with heavy lefts,
Rischer has no answer, and tries to cover up, by ducking low.
Liston lands another good left hook to Rischer's head, and Rischer reels back.

Referee Buck McTiernan looks closely at Rischer.
Liston measures Rischer with his left, and fires a straight right to the body.
Rischer winces, but holds on.
Liston slows a bit, and Rischer gets off a light left jab, and moves out of range.

Liston is stalking slowly, as Rischer is using his movement to stay at long-range.

Round 2 Ends.

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Round 3;

Sonny Liston moves in quick, and goes for broke with a 4-punch flurry.
Rischer is hurt, and falls back into the ropes.
Liston lands a good left hook to the head, and goes in-close.
Liston tears in with a body barrage of half-hook/uppercuts.

Rischer moves off the ropes, and attempts to fire back with a left-right, but the punches have no steam in them.
Liston lands another left hook, that grazes Rischers chin.
Rischer stumbles briefly, but shoots back with a lead right.
Rischer attempts a left-right-left combination.

Liston is walking right through Rischers weak punches.
Liston goes with a straight right hand lead, that lands on Rischers face.
Rischer is momentarily stunned.
Liston throws a sweeping left-hook that lands on the upper portion of Rischers head.
Rischer falls into Liston, and grabs Listons body as hell falls to the canvas on his knees.

Roger Rischer is up at the Count of 3, and Referee Buck McTiernan completes the '8' count.

Sonny Liston moves in, and unloads a left-right that fly over Rischer head, as the 35 year-old
veteran heavyweight has no answer to Listons heavy punches.
Rischer pushes out a weak left hand, and shoots a straight right, that Liston side steps to his left.
Liston follows up with a straight right to Rischers exposed head, then lands a crushing left that topples
Roger Rischer to the canvas.

Roger Rischer is up at the count of '5', but Referee Buck McTiernan has seen enough and halts the bout.

Fight halted at 2:23 of Round 3.

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Beep,

The closed circuit broadcast did $150,000.
40 theatres sold 30,000 tickets @ $5.00
The theatre operators got 45% of the revenue, or $67,500.

General expenses were approximately $25,000.
The Charity Orginaztion got approximately $60,000.

Civic Arena, Pittsburg, Pennsylvania
Attendance; 9000 (approximate)
Live Gate; $45,000

Fight Purses;
Sonny Liston; $12,500 + hospitality expenses.
Note; Sonny Liston donated $2500 of his fight purse to the Charity Organization.

Roger Rischer; $10,000 + hospitality expenses.
Note; Roger Rischer donated $1000 of his fight purse to the Charity Organization.
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Jim Wicks who was Henry Cooper's manager said that no way, never ever, would he let Cooper get into a ring with Liston. He was happy for him to fight Ali and we could see why when Henry decked him. But he knew what Sonny would do to Henry.
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Great 'A'

Rischer snuck in through the side door.
In 1968,
He beat a pretty good Fred 'The Preacher' Lewis in California.
Gave a good account of himself against Henry Cark.
Then beat, maybe over-rated #8 Eduardo Corletti.
is that the same preacher lewis who was ko'd by john conteh ??
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I believe Jim Wicks said that before Sonny Liston won the title in 1962.

If Ol 'Enry won that bout with Cassius Clay in 1963,,,,,,,,
can you imagine a Liston vs. Cooper fight in the U.K.,,,,,,$$$$$$
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Seamus,

From what I have in my records, he definitely was born earlier than May 1932.
I did seach all school records in Pine Bluff, Arkansas.
I keep coming up with 1927, which would make him 5 years older than he claimed.


Some of my contacts that graduated High School in 1945/1946 in that region, claim to have gone to Kindergarten with Charles Liston. But he only went to First Grade for a short period, and never went back to school.
They claim he was in school in 1932/1933.


A Joe Frazier fight was never in the works, despite what people say.
In June 1969, the Sonny Liston vs Leotis Martin, NABF Title fight winner would have been offered (offered only) a shot versus WBA Heavyweight Champ Jimmy Ellis.

But the bout that would have probably taken place, would most likely have been against Buster Mathis, for
late-August or early Septmeber 1969, in Las Vegas.
Buster Mathis had just lost to Jerry Quarry in NYC, but was available for a NABF shot.
Interesting info.
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