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Old 01-07-2011, 03:55 PM   #1
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Default Which of the lineal heavyweight champions would Sam Langford have beaten?

If Sam Langford is the greatest heavyweight never to win the crown, then which of the ones that did would you favour him over from Sullivan to Lewis?

Bonus question:

Which middleweight champions would you not favour him over?
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Old 01-07-2011, 06:06 PM   #2
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Default Re: Which of the lineal heavyweight champions would Sam Langford have beaten?

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If Sam Langford is the greatest heavyweight never to win the crown, then which of the ones that did would you favour him over from Sullivan to Lewis?

Bonus question:

Which middleweight champions would you not favour him over?
I think he beats
Hart.
Burns.
Schmeling.
Johannson.
Sharkey.
Patterson.
Corbett.
Charles.


50/50
Walcott.
Willard .[because of size]



Sullivan.
Baer.
Holyfield.
Bowe.
Tyson.
Jeffries.
Marciano .
Tunney.
I favour 60/40 to beat him


Lewis.
Louis.
Dempsey.
Liston.
Foreman.
Johnson.
Ali.
Beat him


160pounders. maybe Greb.SRR,Fitz. thats it
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Old 01-07-2011, 06:14 PM   #3
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Default Re: Which of the lineal heavyweight champions would Sam Langford have beaten?

He's only an outside bet against Lewis and Wlad, if we're counting him.
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Old 01-07-2011, 07:06 PM   #4
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Default Re: Which of the lineal heavyweight champions would Sam Langford have beaten?

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He's only an outside bet against Lewis and Wlad, if we're counting him.
Yes.
Sam has a chance against any man in gloves, he carried the equaliser in both hands.
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Old 01-07-2011, 07:10 PM   #5
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Default Re: Which of the lineal heavyweight champions would Sam Langford have beaten?

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He's only an outside bet against Lewis and Wlad, if we're counting him.
You call THIS an outside chance?

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Old 01-07-2011, 07:28 PM   #6
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Old 01-07-2011, 07:43 PM   #7
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Default Re: Which of the lineal heavyweight champions would Sam Langford have beaten?

To consider the question, you have to discount the punchers chance, because he has that against everyone including Ali.

I think his best chance is probably Marvin Hart and he would be the time machine opponent i pick to fight Langford. He is also a pretty decent favourite against Braddock and Burns, although both would be great fights.

Obviously the weaker champions like Leon Spinks, Michael Moorer, Rahman are big underdogs. Of the modern fighters, i think that Michael Moorer is easily the most suceptible to a Langford Loss.
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Old 01-07-2011, 08:31 PM   #8
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You call THIS an outside chance?

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This is amazing!! It actually captured little Sam's fearless free spirit style pretty well - and the white gloves a la the Bill Lang fight - Sam would absolutely throw himself at Vlad - it would be hilarious just to see Vlad's reaction

As far as the original question - I'd probably give him a shout against anyone outside my top 16 so that would be

17. John L Sullivan
18. Floyd Patterson
19. Michael Spinks
20. Jim Corbett
21. Jim Jeffries
22. Max Baer
23. Bob Fitzsimmons
24. Max Schmeling
25. Jack Sharkey
26. Michael Moorer
27. Hasim Rahman
28. Ingemar Johansson
29. Jess Willard
30. Buster Douglas
31. Leon Spinks
32. Primo Carnera
33. Tommy Burns
34. Jim Braddock
35. Marvin Hart

the further you go down the list the more the likelihood (or my expectation) of a Sam victory increases
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Old 01-08-2011, 05:53 AM   #9
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Default Re: Which of the lineal heavyweight champions would Sam Langford have beaten?

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He's only an outside bet against Lewis and Wlad, if we're counting him.
Personaly, I wouldnt let Lewis or Wlad within a 10 mile radius of Langford, if I were managing them.
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Old 01-08-2011, 06:03 AM   #10
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You'd have to if he was the champ!

Langford seemed to struggle with Fred Fulton because of his height and reach advantage married to a decent jab. Lewis and Wlad would enjoy height advantages of around a foot. I'm going to go ahead an assume that each has a better jab than Fulton, that each was a harder puncher than Fulton, that each was better at controlling range and tempo than Fulton. That isn't science, but it's based on the fact that these men are amongst the very best ever on film doing these things.

Additionally, both are enormously heavy-handed and exact a toll on any fighter who wants to take the distance from them.

Does Langford have a puncher's chance? Possibly, but he'd be slipping inside a gargantuam reach against men who are expert in controlling smaller fighters inside. He would also be trapping to punch up about 10 inches. None of that is normal, even for Sam.

Money would go down on these two.
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Old 01-08-2011, 06:09 AM   #11
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Default Re: Which of the lineal heavyweight champions would Sam Langford have beaten?

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If Sam Langford is the greatest heavyweight never to win the crown, then which of the ones that did would you favour him over from Sullivan to Lewis?

Bonus question:

Which middleweight champions would you not favour him over?
He beats:
Sullivan
Corbett
Hart
Burns
Tunney
Carnera
Braddock
Sharkey
Patterson
Johannson
L. Spinks
M. Spinks

Around 50/50:
Fitzsimmons
Dempsey
Schmeling
Baer
Charles
Walcott
Frazier

HeŽd lose to:
Jeffries
Johnson
Louis
Marciano
Ali
Foreman
Holmes
Tyson
Lewis
Wlad

12 wins, 7 draws, 10 losses. Not bad.

edit: Forgot Ingo and the Spinkses

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Old 01-08-2011, 06:48 AM   #12
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Default Re: Which of the lineal heavyweight champions would Sam Langford have beaten?

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He's only an outside bet against Lewis and Wlad, if we're counting him.
So, how long does Langford last against Liston, Tyson & Foreman?
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You call THIS an outside chance?

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Old 01-08-2011, 10:12 AM   #14
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Default Re: Which of the lineal heavyweight champions would Sam Langford have beaten?

A little while ago, the same question was discussed of Harry Greb. I was quite shocked at the low amount of names of heavyweight champions put forward as beatable by Greb.
Langford's ability seems to get far more respect.
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Old 01-08-2011, 10:24 AM   #15
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Default Re: Which of the lineal heavyweight champions would Sam Langford have beaten?

I rate Sam as the finest fighter who ever lived. Still, he ain't got a snowball's chance in hell against Lewis or Klit. What they do so well is maximize what he hasn't got. And they do it as well as anyone who has ever entered the ring. It may not be the prettiest thing to watch, but damned effective.

Still, I think Sam would take Corbett, Jeffries (I know Sam said he was afraid of Jeffries but if Sharkey takes him life and death, then Sam just takes him), Hart, Burns, Braddock, Walcott perhaps, Patterson & Ingo perhaps, Spinks and that's about it.
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