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View Poll Results: How would win over 15?
Johnson PTS 3 60.00%
Hopkins PTS 1 20.00%
Johnson KO/TKO 1 20.00%
Hopkins KO/TKO 0 0%
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Old 01-10-2011, 11:04 AM   #1
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... at 175. For the sake of argument we can say that B-Hop makes the jump after beating Trinidad to meet prime Johnson at LHW. Who wins?
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Old 01-10-2011, 11:29 AM   #2
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Forgot the poll. How do I put it up now?
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Old 01-10-2011, 11:41 AM   #3
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Hm, an atg lhw who although is a borderline atg at hw against an atg mw who did some decent work at lhw. You could apply the old a great big man beats a greas small man here. But I donīt think this would work here. Johnsonīs biggest weakness was his lack of imagination, he couldnīt come up with knew ideas when he had a problem for which the textbook had no answer. I think Hopkins could give him a few of those.
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Old 01-10-2011, 11:53 AM   #4
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Hm, an atg lhw who although is a borderline atg at hw against an atg mw who did some decent work at lhw. You could apply the old a great big man beats a greas small man here. But I donīt think this would work here. Johnsonīs biggest weakness was his lack of imagination, he couldnīt come up with knew ideas when he had a problem for which the textbook had no answer. I think Hopkins could give him a few of those.
Could be. Perhaps something similar to what Moore did when knocking him out.
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Old 01-10-2011, 12:12 PM   #5
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I predict this thread will be a joke (no offense to the thread starter).
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Old 01-10-2011, 12:39 PM   #6
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Hm, an atg lhw who although is a borderline atg at hw against an atg mw who did some decent work at lhw. You could apply the old a great big man beats a greas small man here. But I donīt think this would work here. Johnsonīs biggest weakness was his lack of imagination, he couldnīt come up with knew ideas when he had a problem for which the textbook had no answer. I think Hopkins could give him a few of those.
Good points.

Just as a side note, I think they're both about the same size, anyway. Hopkins was listed 5'10-5'11 earlier in his career.
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Old 01-10-2011, 02:51 PM   #7
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Both against Charles and Moore (last fight) Johnson looked a bit vulnerable to rights. Was it something that showedd in other fights as well?

As for Hopkins, at least in later fights I've seen him frequently overreach the right. He's very good at using the momentum to crash into his opponent, thereby taking advantage of his own mistake, but I don't think this will wash against Johnson. Was this something that he did in his prime as well, or was it only as he grew older?
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Old 01-10-2011, 03:06 PM   #8
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I don't know, I can't see Hopkins doing much better than Charles or Moore. Even the great Moore was down on points in their competitive final meeting, his heavyweight power being the difference.
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I don't know, I can't see Hopkins doing much better than Charles or Moore. Even the great Moore was down on points in their competitive final meeting, his heavyweight power being the difference.
That right seemed a bit inventible, though. Moore had found his mark in the previous round and it seemed almost as only a matter of time before he put it to the tiring Johnson.
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Its close but I think Johnson is a little too predictable for Hopkins who out thinks him
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That right seemed a bit inventible, though. Moore had found his mark in the previous round and it seemed almost as only a matter of time before he put it to the tiring Johnson.
Still, if Moore was any less of a puncher.....and this was the 13th and 14th rounds.
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Both against Charles and Moore (last fight) Johnson looked a bit vulnerable to rights. Was it something that showedd in other fights as well?

As for Hopkins, at least in later fights I've seen him frequently overreach the right. He's very good at using the momentum to crash into his opponent, thereby taking advantage of his own mistake, but I don't think this will wash against Johnson. Was this something that he did in his prime as well, or was it only as he grew older?
He only did this when he grew older, in his prime he was very, very rarely offbalance. He is one of the best balanced fighters Iīve ever seen - in his prime at least.
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He only did this when he grew older, in his prime he was very, very rarely offbalance. He is one of the best balanced fighters Iīve ever seen - in his prime at least.
good point, both are actually. the problem is that, as has been pointed out, neither made many mistakes (count on 1 hand the sloppy performances by both fighters) which could make calling this a chessmatch a huge understatement. i agree that hopkins has more creativity but it's often used negatively (for instance that lunging right hand that turns into a headbutt). i don't see johnson as vulnerable to his old school tricks as most. hopkins doesn't carry anywhere near the power of moore, so i don't see the overhand right being a big issue. given hopkins craftiness and johnson's reliance on the textbook, i might favour hopkins...maybe
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Still, if Moore was any less of a puncher.....and this was the 13th and 14th rounds.
True. But Moore won four out five, though, right? And only one was a KO.
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Old 01-10-2011, 04:10 PM   #15
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I predict this thread will be a joke (no offense to the thread starter).
Only good posts so far... (knock on wood)

In lieau of a poll it seems it can be summarised that Hopkins is given the edge so far due to his great ring generalship and due to that Johnson's reliance on the textbook could make him a tad predictable.
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