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Old 01-16-2011, 07:08 AM   #46
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Default Re: If I was Haye I'd push for 70% against Wlad.

The real disgrace is that Haye and K2 rakes in millions per fight yet guys like Froch barely get any coverage or money despite having great fights against top guys one after another.
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Old 01-16-2011, 07:11 AM   #47
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The real disgrace is that Haye and K2 rakes in millions per fight yet guys like Froch barely get any coverage or money despite having great fights against top guys one after another.

thsi is true but it also highlight how a good promotor really helps fighter financially

booth and haye got lucky getting the valuev fight as HW champion on your name gets big numbers in UK it always has
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Old 01-16-2011, 07:13 AM   #48
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His last four HW bouts include two of the most disgusting and downright disgraceful HW fights in recent memory. That's a 50% shit ratio. Chisora is right when he says "What memorable fights has he delivered at HW? None!". Heck even Khan delivered more exciting and memorable fights over the last 24 months.

I don't see how Haye is so highly exciting (to a non Brit) to boxing fans *NOT* emotionally attached to him? If Haye was as exciting as some think he'd fight in the US alongside Pacman raking in $49.95 PPVs.

He's not, he knows it, Booth knows it, everyone outside of the UK knows it. That's why Haye and Booth are staying in the UK doing their thing just like the Klit brothers stay in Germany doing theirs. Both have found their ideal little localized business model.

The difference: Germany doesn't have PPV - a manipulative tool for brainwashing and ripping off boxing fans. At leas 10 million Germans tune in to watch Klitshcko fights compared to 700-800 thousand PPV subscriptions in the UK (probably 2-3 million viewers at most). Who's the winner?
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Old 01-16-2011, 07:17 AM   #49
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The real disgrace is that Haye and K2 rakes in millions per fight yet guys like Froch barely get any coverage or money despite having great fights against top guys one after another.

Say thanks to the cult of David Haye. People will only spend a certain amount on watching boxing, surely they will choose to watch the biggest hype job out there. So yes, Haye should push for 70% at the expense of you, his daft followers, and, sadly, other British boxers. David the Exciter my ass!
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Old 01-16-2011, 07:24 AM   #50
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thsi is true but it also highlight how a good promotor really helps fighter financially

booth and haye got lucky getting the valuev fight as HW champion on your name gets big numbers in UK it always has
Hennessy has cost Froch millions no doubt about it. If he was promoted by ****** he'd be close to Hatton figures by now.

People criticise the British fans for following Haye but what country in this world would have a HW world champion and not follow him? They also forget the average UK punters thirst for sport.
They use it as a put down but I'm actually proud to be part of a country where 40,000 fans travel to see the likes of Hatton-Mayweather, hell 7000 turned up just for the weigh in.

I'd easily bet that if Haye-K2 was held at Wembley stadium they'd pack it. 20,000 sold out in minutes for Haye-Harrison afterall.
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Old 01-16-2011, 07:59 AM   #51
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The real disgrace is that Haye and K2 rakes in millions per fight yet guys like Froch barely get any coverage or money despite having great fights against top guys one after another.
I was thinking the same thing. A guy like Froch is taking big risks and delivers big fights and probably makes a fraction of what other peer belt holders in Europe make.

Is Froch not on PPV in the UK? If so why not? Is his persona maybe not as marketable? The fights of his that I've seen I thought were highly entertaining and even quite spectacular (round 12 Kessler - Froch).

If anyone deserves big bucks then its Froch, unfortunately boxing politics/promoters/causal fans may think otherwise.
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Old 01-16-2011, 08:18 AM   #52
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The Klitschkos can quite easily fill 40 000-50 000 seats in Germany when fighting ordinary competition, therefore they can consistently generate much more than David Haye at the gate.

David Haye did very good numbers because he was fighting a very popular local fight. You should compare all figures from the last 5 fights of each individual instead.

Also, marketing wise, the Klits generate quite more than you think worldwide. David Haye brings money from the UK...while the Klitschkos bring more worldwide.
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Old 01-16-2011, 08:20 AM   #53
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Well, I never have had to pay for a Klitschko fight, or a Haye one for that matter. Yet, if spending your 15 quid on the fake hero makes you feel attached to 'the cause', it's your personal issue. You get what you pay for, as you said. You get an illusion.

Similarities with football...in Germany you have big crowds watching all the matches but cannot sell the product elsewhere because the football is boring and un***y.Whilst in the Premiership you have slightly less crowds but they have a far better product to sell and people around the world buy it.I think maybe German Sports Entertainment as a whole is still stuck in the 1980's when the best of the Sporting World has moved on.
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Old 01-16-2011, 08:20 AM   #54
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I ask this every time a number is thrown around for the Ruiz fight on PPV - can someone actually provide a legit source for their numbers? Because I have not seen one major article give a numebr for that event.
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Old 01-16-2011, 08:28 AM   #55
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I was thinking the same thing. A guy like Froch is taking big risks and delivers big fights and probably makes a fraction of what other peer belt holders in Europe make.

Is Froch not on PPV in the UK? If so why not? Is his persona maybe not as marketable? The fights of his that I've seen I thought were highly entertaining and even quite spectacular (round 12 Kessler - Froch).

If anyone deserves big bucks then its Froch, unfortunately boxing politics/promoters/causal fans may think otherwise.
He's on primetime, a chanel which doesn't get much exposure because of SKYs dominance.

It's all down to his promoter Mick Hennessy, he doesn't have the contacts and is pretty much useless when it comes negotiations. He wasn't on any chanel in the UK for his fight with Taylor, can you believe that?

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Froch defends his WBC super-middleweight title against American Taylor in Connecticut on 25 April.
The contest in Mashantucket will be shown live by US broadcaster Showtime.

But Froch's promotion team Hennessy Sports confirmed on Saturday that his fight with Taylor will now only be available online and not on UK TV.
Froch's promoter Mick Hennessy had been in talks with both ITV and Setanta Sports but after weeks of negotiations a deal failed to materialise, with the credit crunch and recession being blamed.
Unbeaten Nottingham fighter Froch told BBC Sport in March that he found it "laughable" that Britain's only world champion had not been able to secure broadcasting rights for the first defence of the title he won by beating Jean Pascal in December.

At the time he was still hopeful a TV deal would be struck but now fans must watch the fight online, with Hennessy Sports eager to prevent a total blackout.
Hopefully in the near future he'll strike a deal with SKY and get the exposure he deserves.
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Old 01-16-2011, 08:29 AM   #56
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Give Haye 80% and he still wont' take the fight. He'll find some new lame excuse to weasel out. haye is not soo stupid as he acts, he knows he will get knocked out. Lies and hypocracy are his cover.
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Old 01-16-2011, 08:32 AM   #57
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Similarities with football...in Germany you have big crowds watching all the matches but cannot sell the product elsewhere because the football is boring and un***y.Whilst in the Premiership you have slightly less crowds but they have a far better product to sell and people around the world buy it.I think maybe German Sports Entertainment as a whole is still stuck in the 1980's when the best of the Sporting World has moved on.

Similarities with football? Why not cricket?

We're talking boxing here, if you haven't noticed. Now tell me, where has David Haye 'moved on' BOXING-wise to deserve such an appreciation of your lot?
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Old 01-16-2011, 08:47 AM   #58
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Give Haye 80% and he still wont' take the fight. He'll find some new lame excuse to weasel out. haye is not soo stupid as he acts, he knows he will get knocked out. Lies and hypocracy are his cover.
Haye has always planned on making the big money quick and getting out young,he does'nt need to protect his marketability over a sustained period of time like the Vlad.Stands to reason its Vlads people who would be worried about a KO or loss today.I don't think we will ever see a KO artist be allowed in the same building as Vlad for a couple of years yet.
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Old 01-16-2011, 08:49 AM   #59
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Haye should tell those bros:

"60 to the winner,40 to the loser,dont bitchz out pussies".
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Old 01-16-2011, 08:55 AM   #60
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The Klitschkos can quite easily fill 40 000-50 000 seats in Germany when fighting ordinary competition, therefore they can consistently generate much more than David Haye at the gate.

David Haye did very good numbers because he was fighting a very popular local fight. You should compare all figures from the last 5 fights of each individual instead.

Also, marketing wise, the Klits generate quite more than you think worldwide. David Haye brings money from the UK...while the Klitschkos bring more worldwide.

This "worldwide" thing is a myth, tell me where what stations ? who pays what ?


From what I can see its only espn that gives them extra money as stated their German broadcaster is free to air and can be picked up free anywhere over Europe all the way to Dubai , so who are these worldwide people that youre talking about /?
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