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Old 11-14-2007, 09:24 AM   #16
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Willard could hit though. And George did not have the greatness of chins. And still its a superheavyweight vs a middleweight/lightheavyweight. Carp is pretty over rated.
Remember TomMcMahon? A giant with an iron chin?
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Old 11-14-2007, 09:36 AM   #17
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Langford listed some good ones.

A few more.

Luther McCarthy. He was injured out of the ring and died in it. Many thought he was a rising star.

Tim Witherspoon. Witherpsoon was iced by Don King.

Ken Norton. If he gets the correct call over Ali in the thrid fight, he becomes a lineal champion.

Vitali Klitschko. Injuries forced him to retire ( since 2004 ) when he was the #1 guy in the divison.

Muhammed Ali. Ali was kicked out of boxing for his stance on the Vietnam war and lost some prime years.
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Old 11-14-2007, 03:31 PM   #18
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Earp can't be crooked! I enjoy watching the film Tombstone too much to think of Earp as playing favorites! It is crazy that Wyatt Earp was a ref for this fight. I have heard both sides when it comes to the punch, have to read the new Pollack book to get the real scoop on it though

However, regardless, its still a fight that was billed for the championship of the world, Sharkey technically won it, and if Corbett would not have recalimed his championship, Sharkey would be written down in history as the champ.
Good film ,you know what John Ford said "print the legend"

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Old 11-14-2007, 03:34 PM   #19
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Langford listed some good ones.

A few more.

Luther McCarthy. He was injured out of the ring and died in it. Many thought he was a rising star.

Tim Witherspoon. Witherpsoon was iced by Don King.

Ken Norton. If he gets the correct call over Ali in the thrid fight, he becomes a lineal champion.

Vitali Klitschko. Injuries forced him to retire ( since 2004 ) when he was the #1 guy in the divison.

Muhammed Ali. Ali was kicked out of boxing for his stance on the Vietnam war and lost some prime years.
Norton had his shot against Foreman and filled his shorts,.good call on Ali he was robbed of his prime years ,and so were we.
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Old 11-14-2007, 04:54 PM   #20
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Does contracting Bright's Disease count as a bad break? If so, then I hereby nominate Billy Miske.
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Old 11-14-2007, 05:28 PM   #21
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Tillis was quality , he had a lot going for him.. Weaver was there for the taking and i think James probably cried while watching the tape after the fact.. Pinklon definitely, he whacked Weaver who was actually related to Thomas. That fight divided a whole family..

Angelo Dundee trained both men .. Is this a coincidence.???
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Old 11-14-2007, 06:00 PM   #22
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Does contracting Bright's Disease count as a bad break? If so, then I hereby nominate Billy Miske.
Uderated fighter with a ton of heart ,his story would make a good film,good call.
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Old 11-14-2007, 06:08 PM   #23
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I dont think Sharkey had bad luck ,quite the opposite rally ,the punch Fitz threw to stop him was legit ,but the ref Earp ,a pal of Sharkeys dsqd Fitz.
While I believe that the decision probably was crooked I dont think that the issue is as clear cut as some people make out.

There seems to have been controvesy both ways at the time.
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Old 11-14-2007, 09:42 PM   #24
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Liston couldnt get a shot and when he does along came Ali.
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Old 11-15-2007, 05:05 AM   #25
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Liston had himself to blame for the first Ali loss, though. Or let's put it this way: he humiliated himself more by not coming in shape and quitting than he was by Ali.
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Old 11-15-2007, 07:43 AM   #26
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Chonyski, man.

26 rounds with Corbett. Knocked Johnson cold. 20 round draw with Jeffries. Gave hell to all of the champs, but alas, no title.
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Old 11-15-2007, 07:49 AM   #27
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Chonyski, man.

26 rounds with Corbett. Knocked Johnson cold. 20 round draw with Jeffries. Gave hell to all of the champs, but alas, no title.
Imagine if there had been a light heavyweight division though.
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Old 11-15-2007, 07:57 AM   #28
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Some very nice picks there, Langford.

You don't often hear about Renault at all. Didn't know the Rojas and more important, the Sharkey fight was a robbery. Is the latter available on film ?


If you don't mind i'd like to add two that come to mind:

-Jimmy Young. He had a short prime but probably due to a non-crowd pleasing style didn't get the decision against Shavers (rematch), Ali (linear title) and Norton, after which he went down hill fast. If he had gotten those verdicts, then he would've been a champion with wins over Ali (old but cunning), Foreman, Shavers, Lyle 2x, Norton and never having been beaten during his short prime.

-Pinklon Thomas. He had a bit of bad luck to come around when Holmes was aging and no longer taking on the top contenders. He put together an impressive winning streak, beating Weaver and Witherspoon, both of whom gave the champion very tough fights.
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