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Old 01-19-2011, 08:22 AM   #16
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I agree with the poster above,who states that Floyd got absorbed into the "doing it for America" scenario. That alongside facing a Muhammad Ali who was coming into his awesome prime. It is oft stated that Muhammad allowed himself to be used by the Nation of Islam. In the same sense,Floyd was used by the establishment who wanted a white,black,or even purple with blue spots,hope to put the 'uppity Clay' in his place. The most pitiful thing I heard about all this,was that before the bout,Frank Sinatra told Floyd that he,and a lot of others wanted him to beat Ali,and that he COULD beat him. After the fight was over,Floyd went to Sinatra's suite because he felt a compulsion to apologise for his poor showing. Sinatra turned his back on him. Disgraceful.


Floyd wasn't fit to be champion of the world.
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Old 01-19-2011, 08:33 AM   #17
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That's why I'm here to teach.

And yet, I'm the one with the pointer.

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...Did this just get as weird as I think it did?
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Old 01-19-2011, 08:40 AM   #18
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Boxed Ears,,,,,,,I just decided,,,,,,,,,I want to stay after school,,,for private lessons!!!!

If there ever was a time for another Boxing Orginization, it was as soon as
Floyd Patterson signed to fight Pete Rademacher, in 1957.

Eddie Machen and Zora Folley could have fought each other 3-times, at least those
bouts would have been worthier than a Patterson vs. Rademacher joke.
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Old 01-19-2011, 08:51 AM   #19
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And yet, I'm the one with the pointer.

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...Did this just get as weird as I think it did?
Oh yes.
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Old 01-19-2011, 08:53 AM   #20
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Boxed Ears,,,,,,,I just decided,,,,,,,,,I want to stay after school,,,for private lessons!!!!

If there ever was a time for another Boxing Orginization, it was as soon as
Floyd Patterson signed to fight Pete Rademacher, in 1957.

Eddie Machen and Zora Folley could have fought each other 3-times, at least those
bouts would have been worthier than a Patterson vs. Rademacher joke.
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Oh yes.

Ruh oh...In all fairness to me, I feel Bokaj is the one that really led us down this path.
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Old 01-19-2011, 09:00 AM   #21
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Ruh oh...In all fairness to me, I feel Bokaj is the one that really led us down this path.
And I'm not in the least sorry that I did.

Now, if you excuse me gentlemen, I have important matters to see to. As soon as I make a printout of the teacher pic, that is.
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Old 01-19-2011, 09:15 AM   #22
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That teacher does look like a healthier version of Sarah Palin,,,,,,,,,,

Probably could have knocked Floyd Patterson down, too,,,,,,,,

But she does not look like an amateur,,,,,,,,she looks more like a 'Pro'
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Old 01-19-2011, 09:48 AM   #23
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Floyd was never a true heavyweight. He was a great fighter but didn't have the size to deal with the new era of heavyweights. He was the last of the cruiserweight heavyweight champions.
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Old 01-19-2011, 11:13 AM   #24
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Floyd got more respect after his 'heavyweight championship run'.

Clearly would have ruled the "Junior Heavyweight Division' from 1956 thru 1966.

His bout with Muhammad Ali was only made, because Floyd was 'Box Office Gold'.
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Old 01-19-2011, 11:47 AM   #25
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If there ever was a time for another Boxing Organization, it was as soon as
Floyd Patterson signed to fight Pete Rademacher, in 1957.

Eddie Machen and Zora Folley could have fought each other 3-times, at least those
bouts would have been worthier than a Patterson vs. Rademacher joke.
Yet when Floyd passed, he and D'Amato were acclaimed in his obituaries for breaking the back of the IBC (in part by freezing out Machen and Folley from the title picture).
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Yet when Floyd passed, he and D'Amato were acclaimed in his obituaries for breaking the back of the IBC (in part by freezing out Machen and Folley from the title picture).
The IBC's monopoly should have been broken by government and laws.
But from a boxing fans point of view, the IBC were putting on better fights than D'amato wanted to sell the public.

I think boxing has seen worse monopolies since the 1970s than the IBC set up. There are no big independent promotions any more, just the same old promoters and the TV contracts. Most of the fighters don't even have proper managers, they just sign with promoters exclusive.
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Old 01-19-2011, 12:02 PM   #27
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And yet, I'm the one with the pointer.

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...Did this just get as weird as I think it did?
I've suddenly got this urge to go back to school,and attend detention
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Old 01-19-2011, 12:35 PM   #28
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watch round 6 and then you'll know how patterson got a bad back - from taking continuous punches and he was leaning too far forward - takin all the shock in his spine. quite shocking to see what a beating he is taking. no let up from ali.
the 72 version did much better cuz he wasn't fighting the 65 ali LOL.
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Old 01-19-2011, 12:39 PM   #29
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I didn't rate Ali's punching in this fight.
He's not putting any real steam behind those punches.
He should have been able to knock Patterson down clean, or knock him out, with the strength and speed he possessed, but he just doesn't punch well. It's frustrating.
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Old 01-19-2011, 12:42 PM   #30
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well he said he wasn't gonna finish him before the fight cuz he called him clay. thought that was well know. he was punishing him for as long as possible - thats why the press had a go at ali for being a cruel bastard after the fight. same thing happened v terrell.
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