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[shommel]

hardest hitting heaveyweight of all time? i dont care if he was a champion or not.lets get it on!

[Stevie G]

Originally Posted by shommel

hardest hitting heaveyweight of all time? i dont care if he was a champion or not.lets get it on!

We'll all wheel out the usual suspects,no doubt. Foreman,Louis,Liston and Shavers,to name four of them.

[DKD]

Its often said that Shavers was the hardest hitter of all, but it could be any of the usual suspects.

On the outside I'd say that Frank Bruno is right up there.

[combatesdeboxeo]

1_FOREMAN/SHAVERS( the heaviest hands ever)
2_ SONNY LISTON(heavy hands with decent hand speed)
3_A PEAK TYSON( TYSON WITHOUT GREAT SPEED HAD NO HITTING POWER REALLY, HE did not have HEAVY HANDS, he was a guy with great musculature and great speed, it was =hitting power)
4_THE RIGHT HAND OF MAX BAER.
5_THE RIGHT HAND OF MARCIANO( heavy bones for his size)
6_THE LEFT HOOK OF FRAZIER/DAVID TUA/GERRY COONEY
7_JOE LOUIS(LOUIS GOT GREAT COMBINATIONS,BUT HE DID NOT HAVE THE HARDEST POWER WITH A SINGLE SHOT OR HEAVY HANDS)
8_JACK DEMPSEY
9_WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO
10-20 I WOULD PUT GUYS LIKE RON LYLE,LENNOX LEWIS,VITALI,MORRISON,BOWE,RUDDOCK ,FRANK BRUNO...(bruno had power but his KOs were horrible and always against pure garbage).

[DKD]

I'd agree that most of Bruno's KO's were a bit clumsy looking, but not always. He had a good left hook.

In terms of sheer power, though, Bruno could bend a man completely in half! I'd still rate him higher than the likes of Lyle or Ruddock. Bruno's right up there with the Cooney's and Tua's!

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[johnmaff36]

Originally Posted by DKD

Its often said that Shavers was the hardest hitter of all, but it could be any of the usual suspects.

On the outside I'd say that Frank Bruno is right up there.

Name 1 fighter, apart from a shot Coetzee, who Bruno KO'd? Just 1!

[johnmaff36]

Originally Posted by combatesdeboxeo

1_FOREMAN/SHAVERS( the heaviest hands ever)
2_ SONNY LISTON(heavy hands with decent hand speed)
3_A PEAK TYSON( TYSON WITHOUT GREAT SPEED HAD NO HITTING POWER REALLY, HE did not have HEAVY HANDS, he was a guy with great musculature and great speed, it was =hitting power)
4_THE RIGHT HAND OF MAX BAER.
5_THE RIGHT HAND OF MARCIANO( heavy bones for his size)
6_THE LEFT HOOK OF FRAZIER/DAVID TUA/GERRY COONEY
7_JOE LOUIS(LOUIS GOT GREAT COMBINATIONS,BUT HE DID NOT HAVE THE HARDEST POWER WITH A SINGLE SHOT OR HEAVY HANDS)
8_JACK DEMPSEY
9_WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO
10-20 I WOULD PUT GUYS LIKE RON LYLE,LENNOX LEWIS,VITALI,MORRISON,BOWE,RUDDOCK ,FRANK BRUNO...(bruno had power but his KOs were horrible and always against pure garbage).

With respect, how do you know marciano had 'heavy bones' for his size? Did they measure or weigh them at any stage before or after his death? I dont quite get that.

Have to disagree on the Louis part concerning his single shot power. That guy actually spun big huge guys around like spinning tops, with one punch.

I personally think people get mixed up sometimes between strength and power. Bruno was a very strong man but i think his punching power gets really over-estimated on this forum. I cant think of 1 'live' opponent he ever knocked out, which is frankly amazing considering the amount of guys who rate his punch power. Just my two cents.

[alexvoce]

Originally Posted by combatesdeboxeo

1_FOREMAN/SHAVERS( the heaviest hands ever)
2_ SONNY LISTON(heavy hands with decent hand speed)
3_A PEAK TYSON( TYSON WITHOUT GREAT SPEED HAD NO HITTING POWER REALLY, HE did not have HEAVY HANDS, he was a guy with great musculature and great speed, it was =hitting power)
4_THE RIGHT HAND OF MAX BAER.
5_THE RIGHT HAND OF MARCIANO( heavy bones for his size)
6_THE LEFT HOOK OF FRAZIER/DAVID TUA/GERRY COONEY
7_JOE LOUIS(LOUIS GOT GREAT COMBINATIONS,BUT HE DID NOT HAVE THE HARDEST POWER WITH A SINGLE SHOT OR HEAVY HANDS)
8_JACK DEMPSEY
9_WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO
10-20 I WOULD PUT GUYS LIKE RON LYLE,LENNOX LEWIS,VITALI,MORRISON,BOWE,RUDDOCK ,FRANK BRUNO...(bruno had power but his KOs were horrible and always against pure garbage).

i think tysons ko over botha was impressive seeing as apparently he couldnt hit without speed!

[lefthook31]

I think Lennox Lewis and Wladmir Klitschko have to be near the top as far as single shot power goes. Im not a particular fan of either, but both hit very hard with their righthand. Emanuel Steward says Wlad hits harder than Lewis, but I dont know.

[ticar]

Originally Posted by lefthook31

I think Lennox Lewis and Wladmir Klitschko have to be near the top as far as single shot power goes. Im not a particular fan of either, but both hit very hard with their righthand. Emanuel Steward says Wlad hits harder than Lewis, but I dont know.

i agree,and we have a poster here who sparred with lewis,old foreman,tua and he said wlad was the hardest hitter.
shavers,foreman,lewis,wlad,tyson,liston,tua...they are all huge bangers

[janitor]

I think Shavers is as good a call as any.

Perhaps Max Baer among the champions.

[Il Duce]

Jack Dempsey,
based on weight x force = a higher % of power.

[la-califa]

Originally Posted by combatesdeboxeo

1_FOREMAN/SHAVERS( the heaviest hands ever)
2_ SONNY LISTON(heavy hands with decent hand speed)
3_A PEAK TYSON( TYSON WITHOUT GREAT SPEED HAD NO HITTING POWER REALLY, HE did not have HEAVY HANDS, he was a guy with great musculature and great speed, it was =hitting power)
4_THE RIGHT HAND OF MAX BAER.
5_THE RIGHT HAND OF MARCIANO( heavy bones for his size)
6_THE LEFT HOOK OF FRAZIER/DAVID TUA/GERRY COONEY
7_JOE LOUIS(LOUIS GOT GREAT COMBINATIONS,BUT HE DID NOT HAVE THE HARDEST POWER WITH A SINGLE SHOT OR HEAVY HANDS)
8_JACK DEMPSEY
9_WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO
10-20 I WOULD PUT GUYS LIKE RON LYLE,LENNOX LEWIS,VITALI,MORRISON,BOWE,RUDDOCK ,FRANK BRUNO...(bruno had power but his KOs were horrible and always against pure garbage).

Good analysis, But C'mon Combat! Louis was not called the "Brown Bomber" for nothing! Admittingly he is not in Foreman or Shavers class. but Louis did have some pop on his punches. He took out Conn with one shot, Conn was known to have a decent chin.
Louis attacked Schmelling in thier rematch, such hard body shots, ringsiders actually heard Max crying out in pain. Joe did throw good combinations, but a hard left hook usually hurt an opponent, then Louis was a great finisher. He made short work of much bigger men with his power. ( Max & Buddy Baer) Primo Carnera.
Jimmy Braddock stood up to Baer's hard punches, but Louis pounded him into submission in taking the Heavyweight crown.