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Old 01-21-2011, 03:49 PM   #16
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Oh so does Dempsey have a better jab than Ali then? Does he punch straighter? Does Dempsey have a Plan B? No, No and No. He does somethings better, ie turning his punches over and sitting on them, but Ali was more of the thinking 'land any punch rather than miss the punch of the century'

Ali fought well past his legs being shot Dempsey did not
Give them both Maxie Rosenblooms power and ordinary reflexes and see which of them gets furthest with no changes to their style.
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Old 01-21-2011, 03:50 PM   #17
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Old 01-21-2011, 04:09 PM   #18
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Give them both Maxie Rosenblooms power and ordinary reflexes and see which of them gets furthest with no changes to their style.
'Reflexes' ie shot slipping is as much skill as genetics
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Old 01-21-2011, 04:59 PM   #19
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'Reflexes' ie shot slipping is as much skill as genetics
Refexes are about a lot more than slipping a shot, e.g handspeed, countering, responding to prety much anything.

The fact that these things are among the first to go as a fighter ages lends to the idea that they owe a lot to genetics.
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Old 01-21-2011, 05:00 PM   #20
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Refexes are about a lot more than slipping a shot, e.g handspeed, countering, responding to prety much anything.

The fact that these things are among the first to go as a fighter ages lends to the idea that they owe a lot to genetics.
So you're admitting Dempsey had less skill
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Old 01-21-2011, 05:32 PM   #21
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So you're admitting Dempsey had less skill
I admit that he had less reflexes.
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Old 01-21-2011, 05:40 PM   #22
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I think Ali's technique is vastly superior to Dempsey's
you are ****ing worthless Pachilles...and actually very few fighters can do Ali's style and not just look like skipping faggot. So I would disagree with your assessment..now **** off.
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Old 01-21-2011, 05:42 PM   #23
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Oh so does Dempsey have a better jab than Ali then? Does he punch straighter? Does Dempsey have a Plan B? No, No and No. He does somethings better, ie turning his punches over and sitting on them, but Ali was more of the thinking 'land any punch rather than miss the punch of the century'

Ali fought well past his legs being shot Dempsey did not
actually yanking your ****ing head back will get you destroyed unless you have superhuman reflexes...
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Old 01-21-2011, 06:35 PM   #24
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Ali would do better than Dempsey under these set conditions by virtue of his chin. Also, exploding on the inside with Maxie Rosenbloom's power and no reflexes to speak of sounds like a hell of a way to get knocked out.
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Old 01-21-2011, 06:42 PM   #25
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I think Ali's technique is vastly superior to Dempsey's
I totally disagree. I think Ali's style had a lot to do with the downfall of boxing. Not necessarily Ali himself, but his style.
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Old 01-21-2011, 06:48 PM   #26
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Jack Dempsey's style fit with the,,,,,,,,,, times.
A slam-bang style.

Everybody wanted to the see the guy fight.
I think that's the problem boxing has today. People want to boxers fight, not dance around the ring, being a defensive wizard.

Look no further than the rise of MMA.
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Old 01-21-2011, 06:51 PM   #27
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I totally disagree. I think Ali's style had a lot to do with the downfall of boxing. Not necessarily Ali himself, but his style.
true...ali was a legend..but even some of his fights could be boring...now when other fighters tried to do that style it was usually very boring..and very ***** looking.
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Old 01-21-2011, 07:45 PM   #28
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dempsey knew great skills for a fighter like the falling step. his book championship fighting is excellent.
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Old 01-22-2011, 03:17 AM   #29
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I agree J...Dempsey with his style of bobbing and weaving, chin tucked in his shoulders,Closing the distance to get in close,where he exploded, was every bit as skilled as Ali, in his own way.
And Harry Greb was skilled in his own way.
And Henry Armstrong was skilled in his own way.
Each according to their own physical attributes...
Ali is my clear number one ,but Dempsey was a more complete fighter imo,so was Louis.
Ali's god given assets defied the laws of pugilism, but you would not want to be teaching his style to every kid in the gym.
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Old 01-22-2011, 03:28 AM   #30
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Dempsey would be just as efficient with his style today as Tyson was in his day
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