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View Poll Results: Tough call, who wins at welterweight ?
Sugar Ray Leonard 23 71.88%
Jose Napoles 9 28.13%
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Old 11-13-2007, 06:29 AM   #1
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Default 147 lb tourney - LEONARD V NAPOLES

Napoles was the best welter of his time, Ray Leonard proved likewise by tko`ing Hearns but who would have won at 147 had these magnificent fighters met in their welterweight peaks ?

You have 2 days to decide, who has the unenviable task of facing either robinson or armstrong in the final, srl or jose napoles ?
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Old 11-13-2007, 09:33 AM   #2
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Napoles is just too slow.

He'll get beat to punch consistently in a tough fight and stopped on cuts late while a few points behind.
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Old 11-13-2007, 02:16 PM   #3
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Naploes is to smooth if Duran could make Ray miss so could Napoles I actually don't think this would be an exciting fight but I see Napoles getting a close decision.
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Old 11-13-2007, 02:57 PM   #4
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Default Re: 147 lb tourney - LEONARD V NAPOLES

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Napoles was the best welter of his time, Ray Leonard proved likewise by tko`ing Hearns but who would have won at 147 had these magnificent fighters met in their welterweight peaks ?

You have 2 days to decide, who has the unenviable task of facing either robinson or armstrong in the final, srl or jose napoles ?
Leonard by tko around the 10th ,Napoles eyes let him down ,he would have his moments ,but Leonards speed give him the edge here ,imo..
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Old 11-13-2007, 02:58 PM   #5
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My mind tells me that Napoles would be too hard hitting for Leonard.
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Old 11-13-2007, 03:04 PM   #6
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My mind tells me that Napoles would be too hard hitting for Leonard.

Not sure Naploes hit hard as Hearns. When you mean "too hard hitting for Leonard", do you mean knockout him out or hard hitting enough to put him into a defensive shell and outpoint him?
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Old 11-13-2007, 03:08 PM   #7
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Not sure Naploes hit hard as Hearns. When you mean "too hard hitting for Leonard", do you mean knockout him out or hard hitting enough to put him into a defensive shell and outpoint him?
Knockout. Hearns nearly had him out in their fight, but he wasn't accurate or savvy enough to follow it up. Napoles would hound Leonard, hurt him, then knock his lights out.
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Old 11-13-2007, 03:48 PM   #8
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Knockout. Hearns nearly had him out in their fight, but he wasn't accurate or savvy enough to follow it up. Napoles would hound Leonard, hurt him, then knock his lights out.
I can mind Hearns rocking Leonard's head back with a right hand during the first 5 rounds, probably the cleanest power punch of the fight from Hearns. But he never had Leonard anywhere close to "nearly out".

Leonard's senses were not scattered, certainly on the outside looking in. Maybe wishful thinking on your behalf.

Not sure about a prediction as never seen a prime Napoles.
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Old 11-13-2007, 03:53 PM   #9
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I can mind Hearns rocking Leonard's head back with a right hand during the first 5 rounds, probably the cleanest power punch of the fight from Hearns. But he never had Leonard anywhere close to "nearly out".

Leonard's senses were not scattered, certainly on the outside looking in. Maybe wishful thinking on your behalf.

Not sure about a prediction as never seen a prime Napoles.
I distinctly remember Leonard going down twice.
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Old 11-13-2007, 04:02 PM   #10
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I distinctly remember Leonard going down twice.
You would assume that as this is a 147 lb tourney he would be talking about Leonard - Hearns at 147. Not when they weighed over 160 lbs, and were fighting for the supermiddle weight title. Why do you bring it up?
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Old 11-13-2007, 04:02 PM   #11
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I distinctly remember Leonard going down twice.
"going down twice". Too much vodka my man, I know you like it.

Manassa. Any recommendations for prime Napoles fights?
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Old 11-13-2007, 04:07 PM   #12
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I distinctly remember Leonard going down twice.
Its Leonard v Naploes at welterweight, not super-middleweight. Hearns' power was clearly at its most potent at welterweight, and so was Leonard's chin.

Mind the thread "147lb tourney".
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Old 11-13-2007, 04:11 PM   #13
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You would assume that as this is a 147 lb tourney he would be talking about Leonard - Hearns at 147. Not when they weighed over 160 lbs, and were fighting for the supermiddle weight title. Why do you bring it up?
He brung it up because he reckons it helps his opinion look valid when picking Naploes over Leonard via knockout.

Leonard was past his prime when he rematched Hearns at 168lbs, how much he was past his sell by date is up for arguement, but it wasn't his prime. Thats written in stone IMO.
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Old 11-13-2007, 04:17 PM   #14
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He brung it up because he reckons it helps his opinion look valid when picking Naploes over Leonard via knockout.

Leonard was past his prime when he rematched Hearns at 168lbs, how much he was past his sell by date is up for arguement, but it wasn't his prime. Thats written in stone IMO.
Yeah i agree man. I don't think that you should bring up fights in different weight class's to fighters as differnt as Napoles 5' 8" ish and Tommy Hearns at over 6'. To illustrate how a fight between the other fighters would go.


He just seems not to like Leonard very much so bring's up negitive things as to make him look bad.
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Old 11-13-2007, 04:19 PM   #15
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Knockout. Hearns nearly had him out in their fight, but he wasn't accurate or savvy enough to follow it up. Napoles would hound Leonard, hurt him, then knock his lights out.
I don't believe that Ray Leonard can't be KO'ed at 147.

Maybe SSR on his best night, but it's doubtful.
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