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Old 11-15-2007, 11:44 AM   #31
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Imo they all would have to best Kessler to gain any of the belts.
But thats only my opinion!
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Old 11-15-2007, 11:48 AM   #32
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Imo they all would have to best Kessler to gain any of the belts.
Would or should?
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Old 11-15-2007, 12:33 PM   #33
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Here's another fight that has been announced...

IBF Eliminator:
Vitali Tsypko vs. Robert Stieglitz (winner meets Lucian Bute)
The IBF have a hard-on for Stieglitz and are determined to get him a belt or is there something more sinister going on?
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Old 11-15-2007, 12:34 PM   #34
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The IBF have a hard-on for Stieglitz and are determined to get him a belt or is there something more sinister going on?
Who else do you think is about the level of Tsypko who would deserve a shot?
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Old 11-15-2007, 12:41 PM   #35
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Who else do you think is about the level of Tsypko who would deserve a shot?
Stieglitz got a rematch with Berrio (after beating him convincingly first time around) for the IBF and blew it. Lacy beat Tsypko with a damaged shoulder but had two competitive fights so we already know Jeff is up to it. It would also be nice if Mundine fought someone decent who I've heard of. I would rather see Braehmer given his opportunity before Stieglitz again. I seriously think something stinks between Stieglitz' team and the IBF.
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Old 11-15-2007, 01:00 PM   #36
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Stieglitz got a rematch with Berrio (after beating him convincingly first time around) for the IBF and blew it. Lacy beat Tsypko with a damaged shoulder but had two competitive fights so we already know Jeff is up to it. It would also be nice if Mundine fought someone decent who I've heard of. I would rather see Braehmer given his opportunity before Stieglitz again. I seriously think something stinks between Stieglitz' team and the IBF.
Sure, but don't forget that Mundine is the WBA Champ, so he won't be fighting for the IBF, Braehmer and Pascal or Miranda are lined up for the WBO, Froch and Inkin for the WBC and either Andrade or Lacy will get a shot at Bute sometime in summer...have I missed anyone?

I would also prefer Braehmer to get a shot at Bute, but he probably prefers going against the winner of Pascal v. Miranda.
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Old 11-15-2007, 01:24 PM   #37
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Sure, but don't forget that Mundine is the WBA Champ, so he won't be fighting for the IBF, Braehmer and Pascal or Miranda are lined up for the WBO, Froch and Inkin for the WBC and either Andrade or Lacy will get a shot at Bute sometime in summer...have I missed anyone?

I would also prefer Braehmer to get a shot at Bute, but he probably prefers going against the winner of Pascal v. Miranda.
Oh yeah, I forgot that Mundine is world champion. My bad.

So assuming Calzaghe moves to LHW, the landscape will be:

WBA: Mundine

IBF: Bute

WBC (vacant): Carl Froch vs Denis Inkin

WBO (vacant): ??? vs ??? (Braehmer currently ranked no1)

Do I have that correct?
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Old 11-15-2007, 01:32 PM   #38
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Oh yeah, I forgot that Mundine is world champion. My bad.

So assuming Calzaghe moves to LHW, the landscape will be:

WBA: Mundine

IBF: Bute

WBC (vacant): Carl Froch vs Denis Inkin

WBO (vacant): ??? vs ??? (Braehmer currently ranked no1)

Do I have that correct?
WBO is pure speculation...the word on the street is that Pascal is chasing Miranda to get a shot at Braehmer in an eliminator similar to the one the WBC organised...

WBA and possibly even WBC might rate Kessler in there, somewhere; woudn't be surprised if he was involved in an eliminator or a title shot - but the odds are long on that. Still, Kessler as WBA champ would make them more money than Mundine...

IBF: Bute optional against (??) Sanavia if he beats Haussler, then optional against Andrade, most likely, or possibly, Lacy, and then, mandatory against winner of Tsypko v. Stieglitz.

Please correct me, if I am wrong.
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Old 11-15-2007, 01:38 PM   #39
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Fascinating stuff. And don't forget that we'll have Pavlik vs Taylor at 166 too. Some great fights in the pipeline. Throw in a few randoms like Bika and 168 is looking good in the next few years.
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Fascinating stuff. And don't forget that we'll have Pavlik vs Taylor at 166 too. Some great fights in the pipeline. Throw in a few randoms like Bika and 168 is looking good in the next few years.
Indeed...Bika...Larsen?...Green...and why not...Berrio?
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WBO is pure speculation...the word on the street is that Pascal is chasing Miranda to get a shot at Braehmer in an eliminator similar to the one the WBC organised...

WBA and possibly even WBC might rate Kessler in there, somewhere; woudn't be surprised if he was involved in an eliminator or a title shot - but the odds are long on that. Still, Kessler as WBA champ would make them more money than Mundine...

IBF: Bute optional against (??) Sanavia if he beats Haussler, then optional against Andrade, most likely, or possibly, Lacy, and then, mandatory against winner of Tsypko v. Stieglitz.

Please correct me, if I am wrong.

Pascal confirmed this morning in the local newspaper in Montreal that he will fight on Dec. 7 in Montreal (undercard of Alcine optional defense) and then in Florida on Jan. 11 on the same card as Miranda. HBO should broadcast the event. Pascal needs US exposure before facing Miranda next Summer.

There, what about an eliminator against Braehmer? Could it be next Spring? Don't know!
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Old 11-15-2007, 01:43 PM   #42
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Indeed...Bika...Larsen?...Green...and why not...Berrio?
Because he still hasn't found his head since Bute knocked it from his shoulders.
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Because he still hasn't found his head since Bute knocked it from his shoulders.
I am sure he's alright...and I don't think his next opponent will have an easy time KO ing him...Berrio has been KOed before and made a good fight against Bute.
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Pascal confirmed this morning in the local newspaper in Montreal that he will fight on Dec. 7 in Montreal (undercard of Alcine optional defense) and then in Florida on Jan. 11 on the same card as Miranda. HBO should broadcast the event. Pascal needs US exposure before facing Miranda next Summer.

There, what about an eliminator against Braehmer? Could it be next Spring? Don't know!
Thanks for that! Sounds as if at least one of Pascal's fights will be easy...maybe even both - maybe he is just trying to keep his name on everyone'slips.

On the 9th of November, Pascal was second after Braehmer in the WBO rankings, in front of Inkin, Bute and Froch...I am not sure whether those rankings are still current thought...who knows...Pascal may get an eliminator spot against Braehmer straight away!
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I am sure he's alright...and I don't think his next opponent will have an easy time KO ing him...Berrio has been KOed before and made a good fight against Bute.

In post-interview after his lost against Bute, Berrio that it was probably his last fight. He got seriously KOed and I think it turned on some lights in his head after being turned off
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