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Old 02-09-2011, 06:07 AM   #1
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Towards the end of Muhammed Ali's 3.5 year exile from the ring due to draft evasion he was living in a $92,000 home on philadelphias mainline which had a colour tv in every room and a swimming pool.

He made a thousand dollars a day for a weeks work on a documentary about him.

Ten thousand dollars and a percentage of the income for the computerised 'fight' between him and Rock Marciano.

Twenty-five hundred dollars a pop at working the college lecture circuit.

$225,000 from a publishing deal for his autobiography.


Not bad for somebody who was supposedly broke....
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Old 02-09-2011, 07:52 AM   #2
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I suspect Ali and his entourage did not go from room to room turning off the lights. I am sure that big bills were constantly arriveing,

As i recall Ali also did a broadway Musical "Buck White"

And i think he picked up some expenes sparring Jimmy Ellis.
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Old 02-09-2011, 10:03 AM   #3
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I suspect Ali and his entourage did not go from room to room turning off the lights. I am sure that big bills were constantly arriveing,

As i recall Ali also did a broadway Musical "Buck White"

And i think he picked up some expenes sparring Jimmy Ellis.
yeah so not flat out broke like he claimed...
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Old 02-09-2011, 10:30 AM   #4
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Towards the end of Muhammed Ali's 3.5 year exile from the ring due to draft evasion he was living in a $92,000 home on philadelphias mainline which had a colour tv in every room and a swimming pool.

He made a thousand dollars a day for a weeks work on a documentary about him.

Ten thousand dollars and a percentage of the income for the computerised 'fight' between him and Rock Marciano.

Twenty-five hundred dollars a pop at working the college lecture circuit.

$225,000 from a publishing deal for his autobiography.


Not bad for somebody who was supposedly broke....
Well,who could blame him from earning money ????? Should he have starved himself,and his family....??
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Old 02-09-2011, 10:41 AM   #5
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It's all relative money wise especially when you have expenses of being Muhammad Ali but inteview footage of Ali in return mode showed a somewhat modest and well humiliated champ IMO.
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Old 02-09-2011, 10:45 AM   #6
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The only thing I have never agreed with is the notion that poor Ali was stripped of his livelihood and therefore a candidate for pity and handouts.

He was a very healthy, strong specimen and could have done anything --including manual labor-- to support his family, just like anybody else.
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The only thing I have never agreed with is the notion that poor Ali was stripped of his livelihood and therefore a candidate for pity and handouts.

He was a very healthy, strong specimen and could have done anything --including manual labor-- to support his family, just like anybody else.
Ali being stripped of his liveliehood would have been classed as unfair dismissal in a normal workplace. He had the right to earn however he wanted to.
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He could have still boxed, but not as a 'proper champion'.

The unfortunate thing, New York State Athletic Commission revoked his
boxing license, and all the other states followed in harmony.
I believe it was Edwin Dooley the New York State Boxing Commissioner (a polical hack), who deemed
Muhammad Ali as 'not worthy' in representing a World Champion on April 29, 1967.

Japan was willing to allow to him to fight in their country, during his court battles.
Whether it be exhibitions, or a fabricated championship, which was to be called
something like GBW.
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April 1967

'FIND OIL, WORTH $500,000'

Muhammad Ali, stripped of his Heavyweight crown by the World Boxing Association and the New York State Athletic Commission after his refusal to be inducted into the
U.S. Army, and his manager, Herbert Muhammad, became an estimated $500,000
richer when oil was discovered on their property, near San Antonio, Texas.

Herbert Muhammad said he and the Champion purchased the property when they were
in San Antonio last year (1966).
'The Champ owns 60% of the property, and I own the other 40%', said Muhammad
with a smile. 'It looks like we made a wise investment.'

I wonder who put up the CASH.
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He could have still boxed, but not as a 'proper champion'.

The unfortunate thing, New York State Athletic Commission revoked his
boxing license, and all the other states followed in harmony.
I believe it was Edwin Dooley the New York State Boxing Commissioner (a polical hack), who deemed
Muhammad Ali as 'not worthy' in representing a World Champion on April 29, 1967.

Japan was willing to allow to him to fight in their country, during his court battles.
Whether it be exhibitions, or a fabricated championship, which was to be called
something like GBW.
But wasnt it to something to do with his $5,000 bail that he wasnt allowed to leave the country so he couldnt fight in Japan etc?
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Ali, bomaye!!!!!!
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But wasnt it to something to do with his $5,000 bail that he wasnt allowed to leave the country so he couldnt fight in Japan etc?
I don't think it was the money. Maybe his Passport was taken away.
Or under pressure from the State Department, no outside country
would permit him access or a Visa.

I'm surprised an African Union country did not allow him entry.
Looking back, it looks like he was very confident that this Selective
Service issue was going to be corrected in 30 or 60 days, and he
would back boxing in the Fall of 1967.

1967,,,,,,,,,SUMMER OF LOVE.

'Go ask Alice, when she's 10 feet tall'
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Ali being stripped of his liveliehood would have been classed as unfair dismissal in a normal workplace. He had the right to earn however he wanted to.
Sure, but those things are part of life.

An injustice, sure, but perfectly comparable to what so many humble Joes go through in anonymity, just on a grander scale.

Plus, Ali had the advantage of celebrity, a decisive advantage in opening doors to income.
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In late 1967, things got so bad in trying to stage a fight.

With the help of comedian Dick Gregory, Muhammad Ali wanted to stage a
fight in the State of Mississippi.

It was to be a 'benefit championship', with the proceeds going towards starving
children in the outer rural areas.
Great idea, but it never got any traction.
Nobody would put up the 'funds' to promote it, and the Television Networks
didn't want any part of it.
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Old 02-09-2011, 12:31 PM   #15
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Il Duce, in his autobiography Ali states that he was offered a lot of money to play Jack Johnson in a movie about his life. But he turned the offer down because he didn't want to glorify "a black man chasing after white women". Do you any details about this? Was it the movie that James Earl Jones later starred in?
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