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Old 11-15-2007, 10:56 AM   #16
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RJJ wasnīt such a one-punch KO-artist like Roldon for example, letīs not forget about his speed and precision...
RJJ wasn't a KO artist at 160? You gotta be kidding.
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Old 11-15-2007, 11:03 AM   #17
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RJJ wasn't a KO artist at 160? You gotta be kidding.
Will you tell me, that without his godgiven talents (speed, skills, precision) he would have scored so many KO´s as a MW? Don´t forget, I asked for rare power, not for an overall puncher...
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Old 11-15-2007, 11:07 AM   #18
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Definitely Tony Ayala. Ask Bobby Czyz.
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Old 11-15-2007, 11:48 AM   #19
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Will you tell me, that without his godgiven talents (speed, skills, precision) he would have scored so many KOīs as a MW? Donīt forget, I asked for rare power, not for an overall puncher...
I agree with you position on Jones here. He must make the top 5 of overall punchers at 168, but as far as pure power goes at Middlweight, he's just very good.
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Old 11-15-2007, 11:50 AM   #20
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Where was McClellan's or Hearns' raw power at amateurs?
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Old 11-15-2007, 12:08 PM   #21
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Will you tell me, that without his godgiven talents (speed, skills, precision) he would have scored so many KOīs as a MW? Donīt forget, I asked for rare power, not for an overall puncher...
Considering Jones carried his power all the way up to 175 I can only imagine that at 160 he harnessed more raw power for that weight.

Jones was an example of a puncher who fought like a boxer. I think he could crack more than you give him credit for.
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Old 11-15-2007, 12:13 PM   #22
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Where was McClellan's or Hearns' raw power at amateurs?
If you can 'teach' Motor City Cobra's power, Manny has been dropping the ball for the last 25 years...
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Old 11-15-2007, 12:45 PM   #23
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Wasnt Toney pretty strong when he fought around 160-168, and how about Hagler??
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Old 11-15-2007, 12:47 PM   #24
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Compare that to George Foreman's lot of raw power, but lacking KO artist abilities. Out of 30+ fights I've seen he scored only a couple of one-punch KO's at best. Without skills and timing, it's useless.
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Old 11-15-2007, 01:38 PM   #25
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Compare that to George Foreman's lot of raw power, but lacking KO artist abilities. Without skills and timing, it's useless.
Spot on. I agree whole heartedly with this.
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Old 11-15-2007, 02:02 PM   #26
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Wasnt Toney pretty strong when he fought around 160-168, and how about Hagler??
James Toney had very good power at middleweight, but not great power in the league of McClellan, Ketchel, Fernandez, Jackson, etc.

Marvin Hagler was a very hard puncher who did damage with every shot. But he was more of an accumulation puncher.

I'd put Hagler in the honorable mentions though
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Old 11-15-2007, 02:40 PM   #27
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Very surprised nobody has mentioned Hurricane Carter yet. After all, the chap took out Griffith inside a round. The Toy Bulldog might also merit some consideration.
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Old 11-15-2007, 03:58 PM   #28
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Old 11-15-2007, 04:41 PM   #29
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What is the concensus on Rocky Graziano's power?
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well he did knock robinson outta the ring (first one to do it by the way)
He also weighed 160 to Robinson's 144...
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