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Old 02-09-2011, 03:09 PM   #1
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Default Is Muhammad Ali Too Easy of a Target

Though I'm the first to say, I do bring up a point-of-view on the
opposite end of the spectrum, but is Muhammad Ali to easy of a 'target'
to criticize.

While every thing he said was under a microscope, it does make it easier
for the opponents to pick apart his views and statements.

Are we inclined to be too critical.
Did we take Muhammad Ali too seriously, or was he playing the role of
a 'carny' who performs in a carnival.
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Old 02-09-2011, 03:15 PM   #2
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He definitely put his neck out on the chopping block more than any athlete before and perhaps since.

It's just a matter of high exposure. Both good and bad attention come with it.

Ali was spammin' before spam was spam.
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Old 02-09-2011, 03:45 PM   #3
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He believed in yelling and screaming as a marketing ploy, he said so himself. And acknowledged that it enabled him to move up fast.
He was incredibly gifted at it.

He also acknowledged early on that he wasn't clever or smart, the army didn't even want him at first until the war policy escalated, they said he was too dumb.

But no one's completely dumb, and Ali had his own type of genius.
Still, even the smartest guys are going to say a lot of stupid shit if their policy is to keep yapping on all the time.
I know this from experience.
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Old 02-11-2011, 03:35 AM   #4
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Ali was a gifted boxer, and this was proved by his boxing career and his wins over Frazier, Foreman etc.
He was also a great promoter who made boxing popular, not to mention his decision not to join the army.

Boxing needed somebody who would change it for the better and Ali was there to do it. Can anybody think of anybody else who would be able to achieve was Ali did?
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Old 02-11-2011, 06:35 AM   #5
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Ali was a gifted boxer, and this was proved by his boxing career and his wins over Frazier, Foreman etc.
He was also a great promoter who made boxing popular, not to mention his decision not to join the army.

Boxing needed somebody who would change it for the better and Ali was there to do it. Can anybody think of anybody else who would be able to achieve was Ali did?
Good post,mate. Could n't agree more.
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Old 02-11-2011, 06:40 AM   #6
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He also acknowledged early on that he wasn't clever or smart, the army didn't even want him at first until the war policy escalated, they said he was too dumb.
Ali was very quick witted, book smarts not so much
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Old 02-11-2011, 07:15 AM   #7
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He also acknowledged early on that he wasn't clever or smart, the army didn't even want him at first until the war policy escalated, they said he was too dumb.
With his lack of education it isn't really surprising him failing that test (to begin with). He was/is not far from illiterate.
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Old 02-11-2011, 07:54 AM   #8
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Default Re: Is Muhammad Ali Too Easy of a Target

Fair thread and i think it worth considering duce. You're right: he was, is and will always be under a microscope. as boxingmemories said, a change was needed and he provided it.

thinking of it like this: if there were mircophones and cameras following ME every time i was in public, people would have a lot worse things to say about me than they say about ali
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Old 02-11-2011, 08:14 AM   #9
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he's not been targeted enough in my opinion for his treatment of frazier
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Old 02-11-2011, 09:36 AM   #10
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I will say this,,,,,,,,,he never did run from a public platform.

When most celebrities try to avoid the 'spot-light' after they reach success,
Muhammad Ali still looked for a stage.

Maybe he was still searching for something, which unfortunately opened him
up for mistakes.
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Old 02-11-2011, 04:05 PM   #11
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He definitely put his neck out on the chopping block more than any athlete before and perhaps since.

It's just a matter of high exposure. Both good and bad attention come with it.

Ali was spammin' before spam was spam.

Very well put


Someone whose life was being documented on a daily basis during his most popular years are gonna show fault.


However what makes it inconvenient to criticize Ali, is knowing his mistakes only went to a certain extreme.



It's easy to find fault in Ali if your insecure. Because you can nitpick the life of the most popular celebrity in American history, and say "AHA! Im not such a depressed recluse! Because the man they all praise also had faults! I can sleep another night!"
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Old 02-11-2011, 04:14 PM   #12
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Ali was a gifted boxer, and this was proved by his boxing career and his wins over Frazier, Foreman etc.
He was also a great promoter who made boxing popular, not to mention his decision not to join the army.

Boxing needed somebody who would change it for the better and Ali was there to do it. Can anybody think of anybody else who would be able to achieve was Ali did?
Ali made himself into a Global icon and problary most recognized person in world, none athlete will ever achieve more, only athlete i give a shot is MJ with his air jordan brand.
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Old 02-11-2011, 04:36 PM   #13
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No, Adolph Hitler is/was the most recognized person, ever.

As an athlete, no doubt Muhammad Ali.

But the first international recognized athlete,,,,,,,Babe Ruth
without the help of television or world wide media.
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No, Adolph Hitler is/was the most recognized person, ever.

As an athlete, no doubt Muhammad Ali.

But the first international recognized athlete,,,,,,,Babe Ruth
without the help of television or world wide media.
babe ruth didnt mean shit out of the us but dempsey did........

tiger woods is more known these days.....
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Old 02-11-2011, 04:47 PM   #15
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babe ruth didnt mean shit out of the us but dempsey did........

tiger woods is more known these days
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more than ali? not really
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