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Old 02-09-2011, 05:54 PM   #1
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Found this while I was doing the rounds on the net - thought this would be an interesting read for all those interested in boxing techniques etc

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I think everyone on ESB Classic should read this
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Old 02-09-2011, 06:43 PM   #2
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Intresting. I guese the old school stance was developed over years of bare knuckle fighting where fighters aimed to stab at one another like sword fencers. They had to save their hands for a clean target. prize ring rules meant a KO didnt count so long as the guy came up to scratch so old timers feinted, timed openings, drew leads and only struck out when they could land clean. Fights were to the finish so they ground one another down. The stance they used suited the format. The early generations of the gloved era were trained by men from bare knuckle days, at least another generation continued with the older stance and pace with gloves.

Jack dempsey called it fist fighting and in his book he talked of using a different style in his own fist fights from his days of "pass the hat", using streight punches from long range to avoid breaking hands with lead hooks on the elbows of an opponent. It is just as effective Reaching the same destination by another route.
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I found the video on barefoot running interesting.
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Old 02-09-2011, 08:42 PM   #4
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Good read. That's why these:

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Old 02-09-2011, 09:59 PM   #5
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Good read. That's why these:

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what is that? It looks so goofy
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Intresting. I guese the old school stance was developed over years of bare knuckle fighting where fighters aimed to stab at one another like sword fencers. They had to save their hands for a clean target. prize ring rules meant a KO didnt count so long as the guy came up to scratch so old timers feinted, timed openings, drew leads and only struck out when they could land clean. Fights were to the finish so they ground one another down. The stance they used suited the format. The early generations of the gloved era were trained by men from bare knuckle days, at least another generation continued with the older stance and pace with gloves.

Jack dempsey called it fist fighting and in his book he talked of using a different style in his own fist fights from his days of "pass the hat", using streight punches from long range to avoid breaking hands with lead hooks on the elbows of an opponent. It is just as effective Reaching the same destination by another route.

i dont want to sound disrespectful but i have to say
the whole statement with dempsey is really stupid and does not make sense
i am sure said dempsey that he had to box different without gloves not about hooks to the head,

the elbows are dangerious when your throwing body punches with no gloves or even sometimes with gloves....

against a hook to the head an elbow does not up high enough and even if it did, you would hit on the soft side...

when it comes to elbows defending the face i have only heard that being used in kali
against straight punches,

here is a video of a famous bareknucle boxer...level
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ5yJmjCdTM&feature=related[/ame]

you will see that in this fight the hooks work better then even the straight punches,
i can bring up many fights from ireland to kimbo slice showing that hooks
are as good as straights without gloves...



as far as the stance goes, notice all these guys keeps their hands high,
and in mma with little gloves, they keep their hands up even higher then in boxing, some goes from burmese boxing, with like muay but with no gloves
and yes many ko's come from hooks


bottom line
the reason many of these guys 150 years used sword like punches
is the same reason they would most often lean back from a punch,

its called lack of skills............

i dont mean to disrespect them but it is what it is
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Old 02-10-2011, 01:31 PM   #7
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i dont want to sound disrespectful but i have to say
the whole statement with dempsey is really stupid and does not make sense
i am sure said dempsey that he had to box different without gloves not about hooks to the head,

the elbows are dangerious when your throwing body punches with no gloves or even sometimes with gloves....

against a hook to the head an elbow does not up high enough and even if it did, you would hit on the soft side...

when it comes to elbows defending the face i have only heard that being used in kali
against straight punches,

here is a video of a famous bareknucle boxer...level
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

you will see that in this fight the hooks work better then even the straight punches,
i can bring up many fights from ireland to kimbo slice showing that hooks
are as good as straights without gloves...



as far as the stance goes, notice all these guys keeps their hands high,
and in mma with little gloves, they keep their hands up even higher then in boxing, some goes from burmese boxing, with like muay but with no gloves
and yes many ko's come from hooks


bottom line
the reason many of these guys 150 years used sword like punches
is the same reason they would most often lean back from a punch,

its called lack of skills............

i dont mean to disrespect them but it is what it is
I dont mean to be disrespectful either but that was a very, very low level of fist fighting, the guy who lost kept going over from grazing hooks like he had never been hit before. Today underground bare knuckle fighters watch modern boxers and use that style, hence this was a short fight. They are not full time fighters. Experienced Irish travlers do revert to the old style in long fights, it has nothing to do with "lack of skills".

Im not saying hooks cant be used for fist fighting, I am only repeating what dempsey said - he did not lead from long range with hooks in bare knuckle fights. He advised leading with streight shots without gloves because he was experienced at it. Hooks are saved for a defenceless target closer in.
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Thank you Rocky!
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work incredibly well. i stand by them as an interesting training tool, you'll use different muscles running that you have never used before, boxing with thme is fun too. they're expensive and the demand is very high, but i recommend them. not the best looking, but very very interesting.
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Old 02-11-2011, 02:58 AM   #10
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what is that? It looks so goofy
They were taken from a silverback mountain gorilla, help stamp out this disgusting trophy hunting,suscribe to.
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They were taken from a silverback mountain gorilla, help stamp out this disgusting trophy hunting,suscribe to.
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Ha ha!
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Old 02-11-2011, 12:26 PM   #12
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They look dodgy but they're not for style- they're for performance. dont wear them on a date....
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work incredibly well. i stand by them as an interesting training tool, you'll use different muscles running that you have never used before, boxing with thme is fun too. they're expensive and the demand is very high, but i recommend them. not the best looking, but very very interesting.
I've run completely barefoot my whole life. I don't need shoes anymore.
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i dont want to sound disrespectful but i have to say
the whole statement with dempsey is really stupid and does not make sense
i am sure said dempsey that he had to box different without gloves not about hooks to the head,

the elbows are dangerious when your throwing body punches with no gloves or even sometimes with gloves....

against a hook to the head an elbow does not up high enough and even if it did, you would hit on the soft side...

when it comes to elbows defending the face i have only heard that being used in kali
against straight punches,

here is a video of a famous bareknucle boxer...level
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

you will see that in this fight the hooks work better then even the straight punches,
i can bring up many fights from ireland to kimbo slice showing that hooks
are as good as straights without gloves...



as far as the stance goes, notice all these guys keeps their hands high,
and in mma with little gloves, they keep their hands up even higher then in boxing, some goes from burmese boxing, with like muay but with no gloves
and yes many ko's come from hooks


bottom line
the reason many of these guys 150 years used sword like punches
is the same reason they would most often lean back from a punch,

its called lack of skills............

i dont mean to disrespect them but it is what it is
dude modern "street fighters" or barefisted fighters watch modern boxing...hence they just tend to copy that...that video you showed was shit..those guys where not impressive. As for mma...mma fighters often broke their hands due to trying hooks in the early years of mma..then they gave them gloves which protects the hands pretty well.
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