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Old 12-22-2014, 11:58 PM   #1
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Default Is Gene Tunney the most fundamentally complete fighter ever?

tunney had good defense, footwork, stamina, power, counters, speed, ring awareness, timing, chin, everything a boxer needs to be great. ho else is fundamentally complete?
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Old 12-23-2014, 01:04 AM   #2
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60s Ali for sure hits all of those marks.
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Old 12-23-2014, 01:14 AM   #3
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Psh how could Ray Robinson be forgotten?
Larry Holmes
Ezzard Charles
Ray Leonard
Roberto Duran
Marvin Hagler
Mike McCallum
Julio Cesar Chavez
Benny Leonard? Kind of hard to determine without film , but I'd say its I'd a safe bet.
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Old 12-23-2014, 01:25 AM   #4
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Tunney was the complete package. He's not alone though. elite power is missing but he could hit and of course size by today's standards. His footwork was exceptional, his punch placing was perfect, chin heart everything.
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Old 12-23-2014, 04:04 AM   #5
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Psh how could Ray Robinson be forgotten?
Larry Holmes
Ezzard Charles
Ray Leonard
Roberto Duran
Marvin Hagler
Mike McCallum
Julio Cesar Chavez
Benny Leonard? Kind of hard to determine without film , but I'd say its I'd a safe bet.
Charles, Duran, McCallum and Benny Leonard are all great shouts.
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Old 12-23-2014, 04:11 AM   #6
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tunney had good defense, footwork, stamina, power, counters, speed, ring awareness, timing, chin, everything a boxer needs to be great. ho else is fundamentally complete?

When I look at the films of him,I marvel at his skillset. He'd have been a handful for a PRIME Jack Dempsey. Would he have actually beaten a 1919 Manassa Mauler ? Not sure,but a classic battle would have ensued.
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So Duran been mentioned yet?
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Pernell Whitaker.
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Old 12-23-2014, 05:39 AM   #9
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And Floyd Mayweather.
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tunney had good defense, footwork, stamina, power, counters, speed, ring awareness, timing, chin, everything a boxer needs to be great. ho else is fundamentally complete?
No, a fundamentally sound fighter doesn't carry his hands so low. His defense wasn't that great.
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Old 12-23-2014, 06:18 AM   #11
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No would be my answer, though he's a very complete fighter.

Ray Robinson and Wilfredo Gomez were first to my mind.
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60s Ali for sure hits all of those marks.
He really wasn't. Any boxing trainer will tell you that. And they'll tell you not to to try the **** did Ali did, or else you'll get battered. He only got away with it, cos he's freaking Ali, and the vast majority of us humans are not gifted with the reflexes that he had.
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Robinson, Charles and McCallum
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Old 12-23-2014, 08:05 AM   #14
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He really wasn't. Any boxing trainer will tell you that. And they'll tell you not to to try the **** did Ali did, or else you'll get battered. He only got away with it, cos he's freaking Ali, and the vast majority of us humans are not gifted with the reflexes that he had.
There was an Ali imitator at every boxing show I boxed on in the 70s.now it's mayweather but they are both one offs.
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He really wasn't. Any boxing trainer will tell you that. And they'll tell you not to to try the **** did Ali did, or else you'll get battered. He only got away with it, cos he's freaking Ali, and the vast majority of us humans are not gifted with the reflexes that he had.
True.

And Tunney was probably the preceeding HW most like him, so...
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