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View Poll Results: Who wins?
Langford by UD 3 5.88%
Langford by K.O 14 27.45%
Vitali by UD 6 11.76%
Vitali by K.O 28 54.90%
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Old 02-13-2011, 11:14 AM   #46
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Gotta love Mike. He really knows his stuff the guy lives, sleeps, and breathes boxing. I give Haye a minimal chance against Vitali and no chance against Wlad.
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Old 02-13-2011, 04:23 PM   #47
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It means a lot because he lost twice to Fulton in the same year that he still beat capable opponents like Jeannette and Mcvea, and Wills the year before that. Was does it tell you, when a 5'6 man manages to beat semi-great 6'0 opponents, and then gets destroyed in 7 rounds by a 6'5 mediocre, weak chinned opponent?
Langford was not just past his prime when he fought Fulton, he was borderline shot. Admitedly it was an uppercut to the temple from Fulton that caused his blindness in one eye.

After this fight his manager begged him to retire and refused to manage him for any further fights, although they remained friends.

You should be carefull about reading too much into his sucess after this fight. Harry Wills might well have carried him in subsequent fights because Langford was basicaly his meal ticket. It is clear however that he was still able to beat fighters his own size like Kid Norfolk. However, when a fighter who often conceeds weight is past his best, his ability to beat bigger fighters is the first thing to go.

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The size difference simply becomes too much. Vitali would never let him near his chin.
A prime Langford would feint Vitally into making a mistake and then the chin would get checked.
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Old 02-13-2011, 04:30 PM   #48
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No way!


People using size difference as a reason for Vitali to win?


If Willard had to bend down to reach Dempsey.....explain to me how in the hell Vitali would be able to reach Langford? Langfords midsection is out of the equation.


Vitali would be a walking tree waiting to be chopped down. If Langford was a foot taller, I would give Vitali the nod.

But being bigger than your opponent has it's limits. At a certain point it works against you. There couldnt be a more perfect example of that, than the hard hitting Langford vs a very tall Klitschko.
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Old 02-13-2011, 04:31 PM   #49
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I don't think Langford was "shot" at all for Fulton. I don't think the evidence is there, at all. In fact he's described as fast and sharp in countering Fulton's right. He just had no response to the jab.

Was he prime? No. He was out of shape. As has been pointed out he still did well against the very best opposition he fought.
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Old 02-14-2011, 05:20 AM   #50
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I don't think Langford was "shot" at all for Fulton. I don't think the evidence is there, at all. In fact he's described as fast and sharp in countering Fulton's right. He just had no response to the jab.
Langford was extremely adept at neutralizing the jab in his prime. He would just parry it and then counter. It was only after his reflexes and mobility had gone that he was unable to deal with it.

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Was he prime? No. He was out of shape. As has been pointed out he still did well against the very best opposition he fought.
I think that it was more than just a case of him being out of shape.

Langfords prime ended in 1912 or 1913 at the latest. By 1917 he had been declining for about 5 years while fighting to an absurd schedule.
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Old 02-14-2011, 06:13 AM   #51
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No way!


People using size difference as a reason for Vitali to win?


If Willard had to bend down to reach Dempsey.....explain to me how in the hell Vitali would be able to reach Langford? Langfords midsection is out of the equation.


Vitali would be a walking tree waiting to be chopped down. If Langford was a foot taller, I would give Vitali the nod.

But being bigger than your opponent has it's limits. At a certain point it works against you. There couldnt be a more perfect example of that, than the hard hitting Langford vs a very tall Klitschko.

LOL, " If Langford were a foot taller I would give Vitali the nod ". Not sure if you are for real or being sarcastic? It sounds like you are for real. Its a good thing Vitali doesn't have to men 5'7" tall.

NOT.

Langford because he's tough and can punch has a chance, but outside of the proverbial punchers chance ( which would be limited vs an man who has never been floored by a punch in 40+ fights ), this is a mismatch.
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Old 02-14-2011, 04:49 PM   #52
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I rank Langford #1 or 2 all time... however...


If a relative ham-n-egger and puny pugilist like Jack Johnson can wipe the floor with him, he has no chance here. No chance. A merciful stoppage after 8.

Comparing Tate to Vitali either exhibits extraordinary bias or extraordinary ignorance about what really happens in a ring.
Statements like this show the pure ignorance on this poster's part. Probably a kid. 10-12. Johnson a ham and egger! Wow, shit like this is what drove the knowledgable posters away. Wow!
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Statements like this show the pure ignorance on this poster's part. Probably a kid. 10-12. Johnson a ham and egger! Wow, shit like this is what drove the knowledgable posters away. Wow!
He is not ignorant.

He is just frustrated that most posters here don't see things his way.
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He is not ignorant.

He is just frustrated that most posters here don't see things his way.
to call Johnson a ham and egger is nothing BUT ignorant.
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Old 02-14-2011, 05:21 PM   #55
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to call Johnson a ham and egger is nothing BUT ignorant.
He dosn't realy think that.

He is just anoyed that we pick him over subsequent fighters who he regards as superior.
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Old 02-15-2011, 11:27 AM   #56
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Vitali would beat him into submission...
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Old 02-15-2011, 11:29 AM   #57
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Fat Old Shot Langford TKO6 VITLAY, no rematch.
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Old 02-15-2011, 11:38 AM   #58
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The way I see it Langford's huge technical advantage would more than offset the size advantage. Vitali is a good fighter and is gifted athletically and physically but still robotic. Langford would use his skill sets to draw Vitali out of position. He would use Vitali's awkwardness against him to keep him off balance. I think Langford KOs the giant.
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Old 02-15-2011, 11:50 AM   #59
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Fat Old Shot Langford TKO6 VITLAY, no rematch.


BUT - Voidtali wins teh event.
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Old 02-15-2011, 12:08 PM   #60
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The way I see it Langford's huge technical advantage would more than offset the size advantage. Vitali is a good fighter and is gifted athletically and physically but still robotic. Langford would use his skill sets to draw Vitali out of position. He would use Vitali's awkwardness against him to keep him off balance. I think Langford KOs the giant.
i think the pendulum is swinging the other way.

is langford more proven against quality heavies? check
is langford capable of beating vitali? check
is it likely he KOs vitali? Not so much

DESPITE langford's brilliance, he still had some trouble with quality heavies even in his prime. i understand the argument that he carried many of them but this cannot be used to completely discount the fact that some of them beat him and many heard the final bell

i don't see him knocking out the vitali of 2002-2004
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