Muhammad Ali vs Jerry Quarry II

[TheGreatA]

My addition to the on-going Ali debate. A fight that has rightfully been called one of Ali's better performances. Quarry was tough as always, but Ali had answers to every move he made. The 6th round is the round to watch as Quarry gives it a last go which prompts Ali to rip into him with combinations. The one-sided outcome was largely the result of both a difference in class and a stylistic nightmare the normally counter-punching Quarry faced in Muhammad Ali.

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[Il Duce]

Lets not forget, Jerry was a 6' 0' 195 lb. fighter. (in prime condition)
Though tough, way too many wars.
And many early battles in the amateurs 1963/1964.
Hard to imagine Jerry was only 27 years-old entering this fight.

Stamina issues came and went with Jerry.
Ali's height and reach were a major problem for J.Q. here.
Definitely an Ali 'Best Of Fights'.

Foolish fight for Jerry, as he could have made more $$$ fighting Danny McAlinden.

[TheGreatA]

Originally Posted by Il Duce

Lets not forget, Jerry was a 6' 0' 195 lb. fighter. (in prime condition)
Though tough, way too many wars.
And many early battles in the amateurs 1963/1964.

Stamina issues came and went with Jerry.
Ali's height and reach were a major problem for J.Q. here.
Definitely an Ali 'Best Of Fights'.

Height, reach and a bit of speed alone weren't going to do it against Quarry though. He put on a masterclass against Buster Mathis for example. Quarry just wasn't quick enough to counter Ali, and he was never at his best in the role of an aggressor. When his head movement seemed to work against Ali's jab, Ali switched up to the uppercuts and left hooks which busted Quarry up.

[Il Duce]

Mr. Q, tried to take Ali out early, and used up whatever he had in the tank.

Foolish move, as he was much more disciplined versus Larry Middleton, though
I still tank Larry won that fight by a point.

[AREA 53]

Jerry seeing younger brother Mike nearly decapitated in the supporting bout never did Jerry any good, worried how Mike was fareing whilst facing a top form Ali was a monumental distracton, Unlike in the first encounter when Ali was using purely Speed and Mobility, This Ali had settled into his comeback, was strong, and was not going to be mahandled by Jerry, and Jerry of Course tried in the opening seconds of that opening round.

Ali was a Mature stong Fighter t this point.

[Bokaj]

One of my absolute favourites of Ali's fights. Yes, Quarry doesn't seem 100% focussed, but I don't think that really was much of an issue as Ali is one step ahead at all times,and, just as TGA said, has an answer for anything Jerry tries.

It's a bit like those downplaying Jones victory over Hopkins since Hopkins wasn't quite the ring general he would become. But how do you trap and/or counter a guy that's much faster than you and always one step ahead? Ali was quicker than Jerry in both action and thought as well as substantially bigger. It was always going to be his fight.

This could actually be the fight were Ali displayes his best punching. Almost all his punches are crisp and sharp, well leveraged, and finds the target.

[gentleman jim]

It didn't matter what version of Quarry faced Ali...The fact is that Ali would always have Jerry's number. The only way Jerry could beat Ali was by knockout and we all know that would never happen. He certainly isn't going to box circles around Ali en route to a decision. Quarry was a counter puncher and was stylistically at a disadvantage against Ali who could fight from the outside with his height and reach advantage. Plus Ali's chin was too good to be really hurt by Quarry...Stung a little sure...But not seriously hurt. At best I see Quarry lasting the distance but losing a one sided decision. Jerry was the best of the 2nd tier of 70's heavyweights...No shame in that as that era was arguably the best we've seen of the HW division but he could never seem to crack the big 3.

[Il Duce]

A 1972 version of Ernie Terrell would have given Muhammad Ali a better fight.

Now Jerry Quarry vs. Bob Foster in 1972,,,,,,,,,now thats what I'm talking about.......

[Bokaj]

Originally Posted by Il Duce

A 1972 version of Ernie Terrell would have given Muhammad Ali a better fight.

Now Jerry Quarry vs. Bob Foster in 1972,,,,,,,,,now thats what I'm talking about.......

Or why not Quarry vs Lyle and Shavers, both whom he easily beat? Quarry was still a force at this time. I think he's the only fighter who's supposed to be way downhill around the time of his two perhaps most impressive perfomances. But once you put "Ali" into the equation, logic tends to sidle out the door...

[Il Duce]

I'm talking about a match-up styles, for an equally balanced bout.

Ali vs Quarry,,,,,never a good match-up.
Quarry vs Lyle,,,should have been a walk-over by Lyle, and that fight was dull.
Quarry vs Shavers,,,,,,who would ever thought a first round KO by Jerry.

Damn, even a Quarry vs. Patterson III would have been good in 1972.

[Longhhorn71]

The Promotion for this doubleheader was called "The Soul Brothers vs The Quarry Brothers".

Foster at a later date got a shot at Ali after his demolition of Mike Quarry.

Psych wise, the Quarry's shouldn't have gotten involved in a fight card where the odds were great Mike was going to lose badly.

[Il Duce]

Mr. Ali was very disrespectful to other fighters introduced.

It is not alot to ask, to at least acknowledge other people in your profession
who help support the sport.

Mr. Ali thought he was being funny, as usual to draw attention to himself, but
in reality, who showed his lack of class.
After the win, he did not acknowledge or thank his cornermen, or thank the fans.
This was no hero,,,,,,,,,,,never was and never will be.

[Unforgiven]

Originally Posted by Il Duce

Mr. Ali was very disrespectful to other fighters introduced.

It is not alot to ask, to at least acknowledge other people in your profession
who help support the sport.

Mr. Ali thought he was being funny, as usual to draw attention to himself, but
in reality, who showed his lack of class.
After the win, he did not acknowledge or thank his cornermen, or thank the fans.
This was no hero,,,,,,,,,,,never was and never will be.

Well, Ali was a narcissist.
I often wonder what he would be had he not been afflicted with Parkinsons.
Perhaps a Republican politician, like Schwarzenegger (another accomplished narcissicist).

[Unforgiven]

Ali was just a class above Quarry, and had the style to make it show.
A good performance from Ali, one of the better ones against inferior opposition.

[Son of Gaul]

Originally Posted by Il Duce

Lets not forget, Jerry was a 6' 0' 195 lb. fighter. (in prime condition)
Though tough, way too many wars.
And many early battles in the amateurs 1963/1964.
Hard to imagine Jerry was only 27 years-old entering this fight.

Stamina issues came and went with Jerry.
Ali's height and reach were a major problem for J.Q. here.
Definitely an Ali 'Best Of Fights'.

Foolish fight for Jerry, as he could have made more $$$ fighting Danny McAlinden.