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Old 02-14-2011, 11:12 AM   #1
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Default ron lyle vs tony tubbs....

what happens here? how and why?
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Old 02-14-2011, 11:55 AM   #2
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Ronny Lyle by KO.

Like teh Tyson fight from 1988 - a big hook knocks him cold as a fish.
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Old 02-14-2011, 11:57 AM   #3
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I can see Tubbs leading on the cards throught the first five rounds or so,then starting to coast. After that,Ron outworks him and takes a UD.
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Old 02-14-2011, 01:00 PM   #4
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Tubbs by comfortable UD, with a couple of scary moments.
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Old 02-14-2011, 01:26 PM   #5
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Tubbs by comfortable UD, with a couple of scary moments.
i dont' know if it would be a comfortable decision, but I agree that he takes it on the cards.. Lyle could be outboxed by a good technician, and we saw it happen a few times in his career.

I also wouldn't use the Witherspoon loss to draw any conclusions as some have already done.. Both Tubbs and Spoon were in dreadful condition for that fight, and it was a razor thing verdict that could have gone either way.. Furthermore, Witherspoon was a very awkward fighter who could trouble the hell out of a good boxer as he showed against Larry Holmes.. Lyle did not do well against slick boxers and frankly, I see nothing in common stylistically between him and spoon.
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Old 02-14-2011, 01:38 PM   #6
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Lyle by late round stoppage.Tony had the skills, but his chin lets him down here.
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Old 02-14-2011, 01:55 PM   #7
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Lyle could crack, no doubt about it, but I think his power is being overrated here. Most of his biggest wins came via the distance.. I think the reason he gets props for hitting hard, was because he decked Foreman twice in the same evening, but that was more of a case of ring rust and a styles issue than raw power. Tubbs was difficult to hit flush, and survived to see the final bell against Bowe, Spoon and Smith..
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Old 02-14-2011, 03:15 PM   #8
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Tubbs by decision. A focused, in shape, Tubbs has the speed and boxing ability to easily outbox the slower and less skilled Lyle.

Lyle gets beat imo... He's got a punchers chance but nothing more. Plus, Tubbs was pretty durable. It took Tyson's speed and accuracy to get through Tubbs' guard.
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Old 02-14-2011, 03:24 PM   #9
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ron lyle was harder puncher than these guys, plain and simple. george foreman said that lyle did hit him harder than anyone, even liston. ron lyle never fought in his prime, he is one of the most underrated fighters ever. and it is a fact. his power is not overrated, his power is underrated. and this guy had huge physical strength. period.
How is any of this "fact"? All you're basing this on is guesswork. Of course, I do give George Foreman's testimony some merit, but let's face it, if a guy is decked twice by someone, do we really expect him to come out and say that the other guy was featherfisted? Foreman was decked by Ali and Young as well.. I'm not saying that Lyle was a soft hitter, but some people are making him out to be a world class slugger, and he wasn't.. Earnie Shavers was quite possibly the only decent fighter whom he stopped, and Shavers was not known for his durability.. How do you know Lyle hit harder than Smith, Bowe or Witherspoon? There is no measurable way to make that claim certain, except pure speculation.
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Old 02-14-2011, 03:35 PM   #10
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How do you know Lyle hit harder than Smith, Bowe or Witherspoon? There is no measurable way to make that claim certain, except pure speculation.
personally I don't... You really have to overrate him to think that he's some one knockout puncher... he really isnt

he has strength and power yes but hes not in the truly elite heavyweight punchers
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Old 02-14-2011, 03:38 PM   #11
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=you****ingbum;8913542] foreman was dropped by ali and young when he was tired, lyle knocked down foreman twice when george wasn´t tired,
He also wasn't coming off of a 15 month layoff and a bad loss against Young or Ali, the way he was against Lyle. That could have very easily had something to do with it, along with the verying styles of the two men.



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larry holmes did hit hard and he could not ko shavers for the count
Holmes could crack but was no puncher.. Norton had a shaky chin and took him 15 rounds.... Shavers couldn't..

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...lyle destroyed earnie shavers...
So did Jerry Quarry, and in far less time than Lyle did.


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we never saw a prime ron lyle.
How so? Just because he started his career late, doesn't mean that he didn't have a prime.. These things are all relative.. If that's your argument, then we never saw a prime James Smith either.


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and he raped bobick, the man who did beat larry holmes.
Duane Bobick never fought Ron Lyle, or at least not in the pros.
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Old 02-14-2011, 03:39 PM   #12
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Ronnie also flattened many a Russian Amateurs.

A very difficult fight to predict, as you never knew which Lyle would show up.

Tony 'TNT' always had good movement, and a very under-appreciated hard jab.
Remember, Ron had some difficulty with Scott LeDoux and Stan Ward, and
Larry Middleton II, not very fleet-a-foot fighters.

Not a walk-over like some people think. Very close decision.
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Old 02-14-2011, 03:59 PM   #13
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lyle did beat bobick at amateur and bobick did beat holmes and a young teofilo stevenson

Amateur fights mean very little when contrasting fighters to the outcomes of their pro careers, and frankly I don't see how they have any relevance.. Holmes went on to being one of the greatest fighters of all time, while Bobick diminished into anonymity. Lyle may have stopped Bobick in the amateurs, but several fighters made short work of him in the pros, many of whom were not necessarily big hitters..


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and no, we never saw prime ron lyle.
As soon as you elaborate on this, we might actually have a discussion, but I'm not holding my breath.


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Old 02-14-2011, 04:21 PM   #14
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=you****ingbum;8913766]well, still bobick can say "hey larry. you are one of the greatest but i kicked your ass"
lyle stopped him, holmes could not even beat him . PERIOD
Yes, and Tyrell Biggs beat Lewis in the amateurs, just as Tillman beat Tyson in the olympic trials.. It has no bearing on the discussion at hand, and I think we're drifting very far from Lyle's abilities as a puncher, which weren't as great as you're making them to be.

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so you think also that lewis was in his prime when he faced tyson and vitali.
No.. Lewis was 37 years old and had been a pro for nearly 15 years. Lyle turned pro late, and peaked in his thirties.. You can say that he might have been better had he gotten started earlier, but at the end of the day, it would simply be speculation..




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Old 02-14-2011, 04:33 PM   #15
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Ronnie did get a late-start in his Professional career.
I wonder if he could have made a run at the 1964 Olympics (at age 23)
Or 68' Olympics at age 27, a tad old though.

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