Wladimir vs Mike Tyson Prime-4-Prime

[MrPR]

Iron Mike TKO

[jas]

wlad doesnt have a great chin and prime tyson was fast and very powerful.

tyson KO

[SportsLeader]

Originally Posted by SILENCER

BALLER IS HURTING BADLY...

every time someone mentions “Prime Tyson within 1 round” I have to step in and pop the bubble by refreshing the memories:

And although Tyson’s KOloss has been described as “one of the most shocking upsets in modern sports history” it was NOT a fluke: It was because Iron Mike Tyson was in reality Tiny Mike Tyson (5’10”)

Let’s check what happened when Tyson met
BETTER+TALLER (i.e. > 6’3”)opponents:

First time Mike met a taller+better opponent:
·Mitch Green (6’5.0”) –> UD10
Second time Mike met a taller+better opponent:
·James Bonecrusher Smith (6’4.0”) –> UD10
Third time Mike met a taller+better opponent:
·Tony Tucker (6’5.0”) –> UD12
Fourth time Mike met a taller+better opponent:
·Buster Douglas (6’3.5”) –> Tyson gets KOed
Sixth time Mike met a taller+better opponent:
·Lennox Lewis (6’5.0”) –> Tyson gets KOed
Seventh time Mike met a taller+better opponent:
·Kevin McBride (6’6.0”) –> Tyson gets KOed


Now, what he achieved career-wise DESPITE his size is remarkable. But to claim that he would beat every opponent within 1 round (including modern heavyweights like ·Wladimir Klitschko) is simply ignorance of his CAREER FACTS.

The ONLY time Tyson scored a knockout against a taller+better opponent was against ·Lou Savarese (46-6). But that was some strange KO (Tyson was lucky he wasn’t disqualified) and Savarese came from a loss after a 1-year-layoff. So it’s hardly a proof for “Tyson, the Goliath-killer”.


Let’s also quote a trainer who has eyewitnessed both Tyson and Wladimir Klitschko:

Question:
“You have worked with a lot of world class fighters. Is Tyson the hardest puncher you have ever seen or should I say felt?”

Freddie Roach:
“Punch for punch I think Klitschko probably hits a little bit harder but Mike’s much more explosive.”

that was an extract from an Interview with Freddie Roach.


Tyson struggled with guys much worse than Wladimir, such as Bonecrusher Smith. If Wlad employed his hugging style he would have a chance of decisioning him. Tyson is smaller and weaker than Peter, and so Wlad would have an even easier time controlling him in the clinches. Tyson always had trouble with a god jab, even Larry Holmes, who was in the worst professional shape of his life (coming off a two year layoff with no warmup) gave him some trouble for a few rounds with the jab.

The only thing that makes this fight extremely dangerous for Wlad is the chin. It's conceivable he would get blown out by a hook, but unlikely if he fights like he did against Peter.

Tyson was the product of careful matchmaking and a great hype machine; a man who was too reliant on intimidation for his success… He never fought Riddick Bowe, Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield in his prime or even a comebacking George Foreman. That tells you something… Tyson was unproven in his prime.

Look at the cab drivers and crack wh*res Tyson was knocking out to get a title shot… I mean what big name did he beat? A 38 year old Larry Holmes!?? A small and rusty Michael Spinks?! If people are gonna say Rocky Marciano knocked out a past-it Joe Louis…take a long hard look at “devastating” Tyson’s early opponents.

Tyson did not struggle with Bonecrusher Smith.

The fact that you said Tyson is weaker than Samuel Peter completely rubbishes your argument? Weaker how? Because he is less fat? Tyson was one of the physically strongest heavyweight of all time.

Tyson did not do aswell against taller opponents. We know that. But you also have to take into account that Tucker, Mitch Green, and Douglas all had good chins, Green and Tucker especially so, there chins were certainly better than Wladimir Klitschko's.

Tyson could not have fought Lewis in his prime, because Lewis did not challenge for a title until 1993. Tyson was in his prime in 1988. Boweer did not challenge for a title until 1992, and Tyson was incarcerated at this point. Foreman became relevant on the heavyweight scene in 1994, when Tyson was incarcerated. Tyson had arranged to fight Holyfield before he went to prison.

As Shaunster101 said, Wlad could not keep Tyson off him with a pawing jab, he could not avoid him by moving back in straight lines, he could not consistently land his jab on a fighter with good head movement, and he could not take Tyson's punches. It is as simple as that. Mitch Green, Bonecrusher, Tucker, could because they had good chins. Wlad doesn't.

[floyd_g.o.a.t]

In Tysons prime he would have wlad out in 3

[FJAY360]

If only Tyson was as lethal and devastating as this he might have a shot...

[SILENCER]

the klits would be an extremely difficult opponent for any heavyweight in any era.

The American Media (and many Americans) like to dismiss Vitali's and wlads greatness, saying that the heavyweight division at the moment is stale and Vitali is the best out of a bad bunch. It's funny how the American Media have also hyped up Tyson as one of the greatest boxers ever when realistically Tyson has beaten nobody of any significance whatsoever.

Question: What does Roy Jones Jr, Mike Tyson, Joe Calzaghe and Vitali Klitschko all have in common?

A: They have all been accused of making a name for themselves by fighting bums.

Now the difference between Jones Jr, Tyson, Calzaghe and Vitali is that the American Media claims that Jones Jr and Tyson (both American) are two of the greatest boxers ever, whereas, Calzaghe and Vitali (both European) are overrated.

These are four of my favourite fighters of all time, and I consider all four of them to be legends in this sport, and I definitely don't need the American Media to tell me who is or isn't worthy of greatness.

stop harping on about his chin....jack dempsey was knocked down 9 times in a round once,louis was knocked down (and out,something wlad has never been!!) at least 13 times...

wlad is a different fighter under steward.


most would easily count out klits and as much as i love mike, the thing is mike never performed well against a high caliber opponent. Tyson was a monster in 1988, but even then he struggled to hurt guys like Bonecrusher Smith, Tony Tucker and Mitch Green. Klitschko could do everything those guys could do and more, plus punch more fluidly.

you really think Prime Tyson would get in the ring with Wlad? Seriously? Dude was afraid of 44 year old foreman, never fought bowe, never fought Lewis. Anyways, Tyson would get frustrated as hell against prime Wlad, he hit hard, but prime Tyson wasnt experienced or mature enough in the ring to handle Wlad, id expect some point deductions as he'd get frustrated taking hits trying to get inside and then being held and then have 245 lbs resting on him. Wlad is much more athletic than people give him credit for. we all know prime vitali would murder tyson.



sportsleader your a nobhead like shaunster and i value your opinion like i value herpes!! tyson has a punchers chance that is all...

[SILENCER]

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[Predator]

Wlad would be very very lucky to last a round.

[Predator]

^^ Buster Douglas had a Chin, an upper cut and didn't have panic attacks.

[shaunster101]

Yes - I'm a nob head because I don't think that Tyson would simply have a punchers chance against a fighter who has been put down but far lesser fighters than him.

You honestly one of the worst posters on this forum

[sir axeman]

Originally Posted by Faerun

How about Tyson not having the outside game to deal with Wlad? Why is that never considered? What makes you think Wlad ALLOWS Tyson to fight inside? What makes you think a mentally fragile fighter who has never come close to beating an A-level fighter (is it alright to call 2010 version of Wlad A level?) would be able to dodje that ****ing jab while absorbing Wlad's uber right hand when coming inside (Tyson stopped in 5 out of 6 losses, 1 DQ) when the only fighters he fought who were close to that were shot Holmes and Lewis (who was a year OLDER than Mike) who beat the living shit out of him.

Tyson in his prime wouldn't have been on the outside. He never was an outside fighter. He was too short in stature and reach. He was always mid - close range. Prime Tyson - solid chin, lightening fast hands, big punches in combos. Vitali would have more of a chance but I just see Wlad folding inside 4 rounds.

[IlPadrino]

I swear some Klit fans have never seen a Tyson fight.

They bring up fighters like Mitch Green who Tyson fought 6th or 7th out of THIRTEEN fights in 1986 and had fought a 10 rounder less than 2 weeks before, or they think that the Tyson that fought Lewis was anywhere near 50% of the fighter that terrorized the division around 1988-90. Even the shell of Mike Tyson took some bombs against great fighters before losing and not without landing any of his own. Someone mentioned on another thread a while ago about Green and Tillis lasting 10 rounds with Tyson, neglecting to mention that he fought them both less than two weeks apart and he was still fairly green.

The simplest way I can explain this fight is that 'prime' Wlad depends on grinding down B level opponents until they are ready to fold. Tyson wouldn't give him that chance and Tyson WOULD land some bombs on Wlad's chin and Wlads shit would go out the window, as it always does when he gets tagged. All the Manny Steward masterplans in the world don't improve a fighters chin nor his ability to avoid panic when he knows he's about to get his shit pushed in. Wlad only looks so dominant today because no-one he faces has the tools Tyson, Lewis, etc had, and if they did, they would be no doubt be maneouvred into fighting Vitali first.

[shavers]

A total massacre, wlad will be exposed even worse than against Sanders.
Tyson brutal tko in the first round.
If Vitali tries to play tough and challenge Tyson in the ring after the fight, he gets blasted as well....

[shaunster101]

To put it more simply . . . STYLES make fights.

Wlad's style is to paw with the jab and keep his opponent at bay, throwing maybe one or two right hands in a round when he is confident he is out of their range. He has no inside game to speak of, so when attacked he retreats in a straight line or tries to smother his opponents and clinch.

Tyson's style is to come forward while bobbing and weaving so as not to provide a stationary target for the jab. He wants to plant his head on your chest and crack you with hooks and uppercuts.

How is a pawing left hand going to keep a come forward fighter with great head movement from getting on the inside?

How is a fighter with a reluctance to throw a right hand unless he's certain it's going to land going to deter a fighter from coming forward.

How is a fighter who goes back in straight lines going to be able to escape from a fighter with faster footwork?

How is a fighter with no real inside game going to stop one of the most devastating inside fighters the heavyweight division has seen?

How is a fighter with a chin like Wlad's going to stay up when Tyson does land?

Basically, in order to win this fight Wlad has to actually change his style and fight a different fight.

He can't just leave his left pawing out there or else one bob and step and Tyson is on the inside. He has to pump the jab home hard and often just to give Tyson something to think about.

He can't get away with throwing the right hand so infrequently or else Tyson has nothing to fear or think about apart from slipping the jab.

Wlad has to be able to work on the inside when Tyson gets there, because he hasn't got the foot speed over Tyson that would usually earn him his distance back. He needs to be able to meet Tyson with uppercuts as he's coming inside - what use is a jab and straight rights when someone has their head on your chest?

You're talking about asking Wlad to fight completely outside of his comfort zone, just in order keep Tyson at bay. You're just asking Tyson to go in there and fight his usual fight. This is a no brainer for me

[Montero]

if Wlad can survive the early onslaught by Tyson he would win a competetive decision. Tyson ALWAYS had problems with skilled tall guys. From the outside, Tyson wouldn't have much - but if he got inside he could do serious damage b/c Wlad's inside game is his weak spot. But if Wlad succesfully smothered Iron Mike on the inside, he could jab his way to a decision win. His straight rights and left hooks would also take a toll toward the later rounds (see Tyson-Douglas) and Mike's inside work wouldn't have the same explosiveness...

I'm talking about PRIME Wlad with Manny Steward in his corner, not the guy from a decade ago that some of you can't seem to forget about.