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View Poll Results: Dr. Steelhammer vs Iron Mike, who wins?
Tyson by KO 177 72.54%
Klitschko by KO 52 21.31%
Tyson by Decision 2 0.82%
Klitschko by Decision 13 5.33%
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Old 02-18-2011, 01:13 PM   #31
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In Tysons prime he would have wlad out in 3
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Old 02-18-2011, 01:29 PM   #32
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Wlad would be very very lucky to last a round.
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Old 02-18-2011, 01:30 PM   #33
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^^ Buster Douglas had a Chin, an upper cut and didn't have panic attacks.
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Old 02-18-2011, 01:32 PM   #34
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Yes - I'm a nob head because I don't think that Tyson would simply have a punchers chance against a fighter who has been put down but far lesser fighters than him.

You honestly one of the worst posters on this forum
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Old 02-18-2011, 01:38 PM   #35
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How about Tyson not having the outside game to deal with Wlad? Why is that never considered? What makes you think Wlad ALLOWS Tyson to fight inside? What makes you think a mentally fragile fighter who has never come close to beating an A-level fighter (is it alright to call 2010 version of Wlad A level?) would be able to dodje that ****ing jab while absorbing Wlad's uber right hand when coming inside (Tyson stopped in 5 out of 6 losses, 1 DQ) when the only fighters he fought who were close to that were shot Holmes and Lewis (who was a year OLDER than Mike) who beat the living **** out of him.
Tyson in his prime wouldn't have been on the outside. He never was an outside fighter. He was too short in stature and reach. He was always mid - close range. Prime Tyson - solid chin, lightening fast hands, big punches in combos. Vitali would have more of a chance but I just see Wlad folding inside 4 rounds.
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Old 02-18-2011, 02:22 PM   #36
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I swear some Klit fans have never seen a Tyson fight.

They bring up fighters like Mitch Green who Tyson fought 6th or 7th out of THIRTEEN fights in 1986 and had fought a 10 rounder less than 2 weeks before, or they think that the Tyson that fought Lewis was anywhere near 50% of the fighter that terrorized the division around 1988-90. Even the shell of Mike Tyson took some bombs against great fighters before losing and not without landing any of his own. Someone mentioned on another thread a while ago about Green and Tillis lasting 10 rounds with Tyson, neglecting to mention that he fought them both less than two weeks apart and he was still fairly green.

The simplest way I can explain this fight is that 'prime' Wlad depends on grinding down B level opponents until they are ready to fold. Tyson wouldn't give him that chance and Tyson WOULD land some bombs on Wlad's chin and Wlads **** would go out the window, as it always does when he gets tagged. All the Manny Steward masterplans in the world don't improve a fighters chin nor his ability to avoid panic when he knows he's about to get his **** pushed in. Wlad only looks so dominant today because no-one he faces has the tools Tyson, Lewis, etc had, and if they did, they would be no doubt be maneouvred into fighting Vitali first.
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Old 02-18-2011, 02:27 PM   #37
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A total massacre, wlad will be exposed even worse than against Sanders.
Tyson brutal tko in the first round.
If Vitali tries to play tough and challenge Tyson in the ring after the fight, he gets blasted as well....
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Old 02-18-2011, 03:21 PM   #38
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To put it more simply . . . STYLES make fights.

Wlad's style is to paw with the jab and keep his opponent at bay, throwing maybe one or two right hands in a round when he is confident he is out of their range. He has no inside game to speak of, so when attacked he retreats in a straight line or tries to smother his opponents and clinch.

Tyson's style is to come forward while bobbing and weaving so as not to provide a stationary target for the jab. He wants to plant his head on your chest and crack you with hooks and uppercuts.

How is a pawing left hand going to keep a come forward fighter with great head movement from getting on the inside?

How is a fighter with a reluctance to throw a right hand unless he's certain it's going to land going to deter a fighter from coming forward.

How is a fighter who goes back in straight lines going to be able to escape from a fighter with faster footwork?

How is a fighter with no real inside game going to stop one of the most devastating inside fighters the heavyweight division has seen?

How is a fighter with a chin like Wlad's going to stay up when Tyson does land?

Basically, in order to win this fight Wlad has to actually change his style and fight a different fight.

He can't just leave his left pawing out there or else one bob and step and Tyson is on the inside. He has to pump the jab home hard and often just to give Tyson something to think about.

He can't get away with throwing the right hand so infrequently or else Tyson has nothing to fear or think about apart from slipping the jab.

Wlad has to be able to work on the inside when Tyson gets there, because he hasn't got the foot speed over Tyson that would usually earn him his distance back. He needs to be able to meet Tyson with uppercuts as he's coming inside - what use is a jab and straight rights when someone has their head on your chest?

You're talking about asking Wlad to fight completely outside of his comfort zone, just in order keep Tyson at bay. You're just asking Tyson to go in there and fight his usual fight. This is a no brainer for me
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Old 02-18-2011, 03:26 PM   #39
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if Wlad can survive the early onslaught by Tyson he would win a competetive decision. Tyson ALWAYS had problems with skilled tall guys. From the outside, Tyson wouldn't have much - but if he got inside he could do serious damage b/c Wlad's inside game is his weak spot. But if Wlad succesfully smothered Iron Mike on the inside, he could jab his way to a decision win. His straight rights and left hooks would also take a toll toward the later rounds (see Tyson-Douglas) and Mike's inside work wouldn't have the same explosiveness...

I'm talking about PRIME Wlad with Manny Steward in his corner, not the guy from a decade ago that some of you can't seem to forget about.
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Old 02-18-2011, 03:32 PM   #40
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To put it more simply . . . STYLES make fights.

Wlad's style is to paw with the jab and keep his opponent at bay, throwing maybe one or two right hands in a round when he is confident he is out of their range. He has no inside game to speak of, so when attacked he retreats in a straight line or tries to smother his opponents and clinch.

Tyson's style is to come forward while bobbing and weaving so as not to provide a stationary target for the jab. He wants to plant his head on your chest and crack you with hooks and uppercuts.

How is a pawing left hand going to keep a come forward fighter with great head movement from getting on the inside?

How is a fighter with a reluctance to throw a right hand unless he's certain it's going to land going to deter a fighter from coming forward.

How is a fighter who goes back in straight lines going to be able to escape from a fighter with faster footwork?

How is a fighter with no real inside game going to stop one of the most devastating inside fighters the heavyweight division has seen?

How is a fighter with a chin like Wlad's going to stay up when Tyson does land?

Basically, in order to win this fight Wlad has to actually change his style and fight a different fight.

He can't just leave his left pawing out there or else one bob and step and Tyson is on the inside. He has to pump the jab home hard and often just to give Tyson something to think about.

He can't get away with throwing the right hand so infrequently or else Tyson has nothing to fear or think about apart from slipping the jab.

Wlad has to be able to work on the inside when Tyson gets there, because he hasn't got the foot speed over Tyson that would usually earn him his distance back. He needs to be able to meet Tyson with uppercuts as he's coming inside - what use is a jab and straight rights when someone has their head on your chest?

You're talking about asking Wlad to fight completely outside of his comfort zone, just in order keep Tyson at bay. You're just asking Tyson to go in there and fight his usual fight. This is a no brainer for me
Thank you.

Tyson KO.

And all of you - please remember we are talking about a prime Tyson.
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Old 02-18-2011, 03:34 PM   #41
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Anybody here who thinks Wlad would win would never ever place money on this bout if it somehow could really take place. I guarantee you that.
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Old 02-18-2011, 03:42 PM   #42
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Seriously though, who wins a single fight...tough call.

Who wins the most fights if they were to fight 10 times, Wladimir.
Why? I can see Wladimir adapting, doing what he needs to do, learning from each fight, while Tyson just gets frustrated.
You would see Wladamir adapting do you know why? Because you love him..... It makes me sick your biased post's all time?

This is how it is...... If they fought each other 10 times in there primes. Wlad would get beaten 9 times and im giving Wlad 1 win because he might get lucky with a punch... Wlad would fill his pants as soon as the bell went and get KO. If you cant see that then your just ****ing mad were talking about Wlad yeah..
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Old 02-18-2011, 03:53 PM   #43
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Number of times this poll has been done before?? over/under 50...
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Old 02-18-2011, 04:00 PM   #44
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- There's no way Wlad handles the pressure by just moving back in a straight line

- there's no way a pawing left arm is keeping Tyson at bay

- Tyson's head isn't going to be in the same place to be jabbed off, and once he slips one he's on the inside

- Wlad does not have to inside game to deal with Tyson
Yeah that's spot on. Wlad is a good fighter but a prime 21year old Tyson would be his worst nightmare and the panic on his face would be painful to watch. I don't see him going past 2 and that would be the same outcome if they fought 10 times. Wladimir's tools has a fighter would'nt come into play because he would never see past the second, i honestly believe that. Has good a fighter has Wlad is, you just can't put out of your mind how poorly he handles pressure, and a peak Tyson brings has much pressure has his ever gonna see. People like Lewis and Holyfield would have fared better against a prime Tyson because they were born fighters and have the ability to stay calm, Wlad isn't a born fighter and he cannot stay calm amidst that fire. That is my opinion.
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Old 02-18-2011, 04:04 PM   #45
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Wlad late KO, just can't see wlad doing anything but keeping distance an jabbing the **** out tyson, then coming threw big right crosses an lefts hooks as the fight progresses, i see this fighting going no more the 10, i see tyson with a better chance of beating wlad late then early, maybe when wlad gets carless an is going in for the kill, an then tyson catches him
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