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Old 02-19-2011, 08:10 AM   #1
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June 1962,,After his Knock-Out win over Floyd Patterson

Jack Dempsey;
"I picked Liston to win, but I hoped I was wrong. Nobody respects a tough
guy. But if he reforms, I could respect him.'

Jess Willard;
'Anybody has the right to be champion if he's good enough. But this deal
doesn't please me very much at all.'

Max Schmeling;
'Any man that wants to fight the champion as much as Liston did should
be good for boxing.'

Rocky Marciano;
'I know Liston's got a past but with a little direction he could be become a hero. The fight crowd likes a banger.'

Jersey Joe Walcott;
'Liston is not lily-white, but then I'm no Holy-Joe. He may make more
under-privileged guys on the other side of the tracks think about trying it.
I think he'll develop into a fighting champion, but then he may set us all
back 50 years in the boxing game.'
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Old 02-19-2011, 08:16 AM   #2
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Very interesting quote from Walcott.
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Old 02-19-2011, 08:27 AM   #3
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Very interesting quote from Walcott.
yes.
the comments started off bad but got better
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Old 02-19-2011, 08:33 AM   #4
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yes.
the comments started off bad but got better
That's what I was thinking too.
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Old 02-19-2011, 08:35 AM   #5
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I mean, if I was one of those greats, I'd say "to hell with Liston's past"..he won the crown as decisively as anyone in history..it wiped clean the slate of the past.
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October 1962,

Jams J. Braddock;
'A fighter's a fighter. Character has nothing to do with it. He'll be good.
People will come to see him get beat.'

Gene Tunney;
'Sonny Liston is sure to turn over a new leaf as champion. The responsibility will
awaken him to the needs.'

Jack Sharkey;
'I liked Patterson to win, because he know's he's the champion and that makes a
difference. It remains to be seen what the other guy will do. It might create a new era in boxing,
having Sonny Liston as champion. Every fighter wants to lick a tough guy.'

Georges Carpentier;
'It's up to Sonny Liston to prove he's as big a champion as he indicates he might be.
The thing that struck me about the fight is that either Sonny Liston is terribly
strong or Floyd Patterson was imprudent. It was a completely unexpected outcome.'

Gunboat Smith;
'I was hoping that Liston would get his brains knocked out. He's got no business in
the ring. I think boxing will shut down all over the country. Maybe I shouldn't be saying this.
He might come and take a poke at me. But, I've fought bigger guys than he.
I fought Willard, and I had to look up twice to see him. He hit me, and I hit him
with everythig I had, with no detours, all the way from the dressing room. I blinded
him with footwork and got the decision. I was pulling for Patterson. You've got to have a
champion who's got class. Like Dempsey or Tunney. They got class.'

New York State Boxing Officials;
'We banned the fight from being held here because of Sonny Liston's personal history and past record.
Now we might just abolish prize-fighting completely.'

'The fight with Patterson was a complete farce, as another blow has been sent to the dying sport
of prizefighting.'
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Old 02-19-2011, 09:52 AM   #7
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Ronald Coolidge, New York State Boxing Commission;

'Mark my words, something strange will happen. It is inevitable, as Liston has
way too many thugs around him. Some are probably living in his closet as I speak.
He and his group care not one bit about the responsibilites that a champion must carry
on his shoulders. If Sonny Liston wants to be a good champion, he sure has a alot of work to do.'
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Old 02-19-2011, 09:56 AM   #8
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Incredible

By far your greatest thread

This is the most interesting stuff you could possibly post.

My favorite quotes:
Tunney
Braddock
Schmeling
Marciano
Walcott
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very informative thread thanks il duce
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Very interesting quote from Walcott.
Most ironic comment. Jersey Joe should have asserted himself as the boss in Lewiston, disregarded Fleischer's hammering and yelling, and let the match proceed. (Nat hardly did the sport any great favors with his unauthorized involvement either.) Walcott was a great gentleman, but his rematch with Marciano came out bad for the fight game, as did his failure to maintain control in Maine.
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Old 02-19-2011, 10:24 AM   #11
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All quotes were made after the September 1962 fight with Floyd Patterson.

It seems New York State had a big problem with Sonny Liston, or really his
associates.
Yet, suprisingly, Sonny had his training camp at The Pines Resort, in the Catskills of
New York, during the summer of 1962.


Ezzard Charles;

'The fight game is in trouble, as the small-club venues are starting to fail in the
east. It will be big money fights from now on. Hopefully, Sonny may restore
some interest, either as the hero or the one people want to see lose. America
loves an underdog, and Sonny has been an underdog his whole life outside of the ring.
Just maybe, he can turn that into a positive. I know him, and he really wants to be
liked, and if he needs my help, I'll be here for him.'
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:46 AM   #12
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most of the remarks where stupid........
what someone does in his personal life is is own bussiness.. if he beats up old ladys or robs banks or whatever.. that makes you a bad person but that's all.
i don't agree with the fact that sporting figures and champions are a kind of rolmodel.. or should behave like a good human being.. cause people look up to them..
if you are the best then that makes you the champ.. in any sport (mostly)..

especially the remark from gunboath smith :"you've got to have a champion with class".
what the hell for.. like i stated before.. the one who is the best becomes the champ.. and what he does in private life or did in the past is no one elses business..
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:53 AM   #13
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Pretty much split 50/50 on Sonny.

I think what the older champions were trying to get across, was that if
Sonny did anything bad, it would diminish the previous champion group.

It appears, none had a high regard for Floyd Patterson or INGO either.
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Old 02-19-2011, 12:18 PM   #14
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most of the remarks where stupid........
what someone does in his personal life is is own bussiness.. if he beats up old ladys or robs banks or whatever.. that makes you a bad person but that's all.
i don't agree with the fact that sporting figures and champions are a kind of rolmodel.. or should behave like a good human being.. cause people look up to them..
if you are the best then that makes you the champ.. in any sport (mostly)..

especially the remark from gunboath smith :"you've got to have a champion with class".
what the hell for.. like i stated before.. the one who is the best becomes the champ.. and what he does in private life or did in the past is no one elses business..
There is no such thing as "your private life"...it is a misnomer...if you are a fk-up.....then you are a fk-up that just happens to play sports at some time in your waking hours. When you look in the mirror...you see a fk-up looking back at you.
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Old 02-19-2011, 12:29 PM   #15
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There is no such thing as "your private life"...it is a misnomer...if you are a fk-up.....then you are a fk-up that just happens to play sports at some time in your waking hours. When you look in the mirror...you see a fk-up looking back at you.
but you don't get it. even if it is the greatest fk up a life. if he is the best he is the champ.. and he should be judged on that only. on his sport achievements.. his mistakes the law system will judge..
and why is there no such thing as a private life.. who the hell are you to decide that ?? god, superman ???
everyone has a private life...
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