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Old 02-19-2011, 05:55 PM   #16
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Why was he even allowed to go and fight Berbick?

Ali, his friends, the doctors, and the promoters knew he had serious physical problems.
Those like John McCain, who ignorantly advocate a federal boxing commission would do well to remember this is an international sport, so it's no impossibility to find a venue willing to accommodate if the money's available.

He made a huge issue over the Thyrolar overdose against Holmes as being the major reason for his zombie masquerade, and die hard supporters bought it.
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Old 02-19-2011, 06:22 PM   #17
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Berbick was a bum.
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Old 02-19-2011, 07:31 PM   #18
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I watched this fight a long time ago and I remember I had Berbick winning by a strange score of 4 rounds to 1 with 5 rounds even. Maybe I'll watch it again sometime next week.
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Old 02-19-2011, 10:47 PM   #19
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Think this fight is a pretty good contradicion to the common cliché that Ali had no technical skills to fall back on once his physical gifts abandoned him. His footwork and range negotiation are excelllent in this fight. He throws nice, accurate combinations and some good counters, but have absolutely no snap left in his punches. He's pushing his once beautiful right pitifully.

I actually had him ahead after five rounds, but he runs out of gass and Berbick finishes as the comfortable winner. But a 39-year old in early throes of Parkinson's Syndrome gives a limited but young and strong contender a good fight. Quite fantastic actually. Ali's most underrated perfomance.
Bok,

Tuff and rugged Berbick really did very little damage to an already ailing Ali in 1981... If anything transpired in terms of hurt, Ali sustained a case of sore ribs afterward...

I scored it basically 6 to 4 Berbick over Ali after 10 so-so rds.... Ali still boxed and moved, but his jab was a push and his leg speed was reduced to normal...

Berbick won by hustling over the 10 rds and being a tad more busy overall... Nothing fancy or special occurred...

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Old 02-20-2011, 02:48 AM   #20
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Bok,

Tuff and rugged Berbick really did very little damage to an already ailing Ali in 1981... If anything transpired in terms of hurt, Ali sustained a case of sore ribs afterward...

I scored it basically 6 to 4 Berbick over Ali after 10 so-so rds.... Ali still boxed and moved, but his jab was a push and his leg speed was reduced to normal...

Berbick won by hustling over the 10 rds and being a tad more busy overall... Nothing fancy or special occurred...

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That's more or less how I had it. Berbick won four of the last five for me, since Ali had virtually stopped fighting at that point. But when he still had any gas he got the better of Berbick. Somehow he even managed to rock him a bit occassionaly.

This with no speed, not much reflexes left and no snap to his punches.
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Old 02-20-2011, 10:06 AM   #21
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ali had nothing left in his right hand - very very weak. his time was well over.
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Old 02-20-2011, 10:49 AM   #22
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Berbick was a bum.
Ok moron, if Berbick was a bum, then every single one of Wlad's opponents was a bum too.
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Old 02-20-2011, 11:14 AM   #23
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Ok moron, if Berbick was a bum, then every single one of Wlad's opponents was a bum too.
He only said that because he's a Tyson hater Tyson beat Berbick so he wants to discredit Mike by saying Berbick was a "bum". He was good and much better than the crap heavyweight contenders we have nowadays.
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Old 02-20-2011, 02:16 PM   #24
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Actually, Ali's later fights is a good watch to get a hold of his technique. When he no longer had the physical abilities to pull off his more fantastic moves you can see the fundamentals shining through more clearly.

For example, look at this clip of the final round against Shavers. All through the round an exhausted Ali gives Shavers angles and rolls with his punches, which rarely lands clean in this round, and towards the end he really puts on a clinic. Watch him tearing Shavers up at mid-range from 2.00 onwards in the clip. It's beautiful how he does it, considering the shape he's in (he says himself he doesn't remember anything of the fight after the second round):

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Old 02-20-2011, 06:23 PM   #25
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the man was finished long before those fights.cant watch those last few fights again.ali took too many shots in all his last fights
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Old 02-20-2011, 10:42 PM   #26
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Actually, Ali's later fights is a good watch to get a hold of his technique. When he no longer had the physical abilities to pull off his more fantastic moves you can see the fundamentals shining through more clearly.

For example, look at this clip of the final round against Shavers. All through the round an exhausted Ali gives Shavers angles and rolls with his punches, which rarely lands clean in this round, and towards the end he really puts on a clinic. Watch him tearing Shavers up at mid-range from 2.00 onwards in the clip. It's beautiful how he does it, considering the shape he's in (he says himself he doesn't remember anything of the fight after the second round):

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Shavers told Larry Merchant that he felt he won the fight.

But I believe he changed his mind after watching it on a video.
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Old 02-21-2011, 12:33 AM   #27
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That's more or less how I had it. Berbick won four of the last five for me, since Ali had virtually stopped fighting at that point. But when he still had any gas he got the better of Berbick. Somehow he even managed to rock him a bit occassionaly.

This with no speed, not much reflexes left and no snap to his punches.
Again, I bought the video from the record store yrs ago and it has all the behind scenes that clearly show Ali looking ample in weight and slurring his words... Ali was a shell by 1981... He was also very sick with Park's syndrome, but didn't truly realize it yet....

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Old 02-21-2011, 07:10 AM   #28
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Yeah. Perhaps. A respectable showing against Holmes would be a good way to bow out.

EDIT: Well, better at least. Like most I think Ali should have quit after Frazier III.
Oh yes...! It would have been marvelous if Ali had retired after Manilla !
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Old 02-21-2011, 07:50 AM   #29
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Berbick was a bum.
lol what about Bummy Brewster And Fat Old Golfer Sanders???

Are they not even shittier "bums"?!

Bums dont look as mint as Trev Berbick did VS Pinko Thomas.

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Old 02-21-2011, 07:56 AM   #30
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lol what about Bummy Brewster And Fat Old Golfer Sanders???

Are they not even shittier "bums"?!

Bums dont look as mint as Trev Berbick did VS Pinko Thomas.

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Berbick did surprise a lot of people in that fight,did n't he...?
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