Jimmy Young vs Joe Frazier Prime for Prime - Page 3

tommygun711 · 02-20-2011, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Boxed Ears

That's all I was really trying to say.

Then you totally fucking failed at it

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

All those fights would be winnable, but not easy marks.
If they were 10-Rounders, all could be possible defeats.

Bu nobody is putting Jimmy out.

A prime Young outboxes all of them imo.

techks · 02-20-2011, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Boxed Ears

Why, that's it! After I finish this marmaladed toast and dab the corners of my mouth with a moist napkin cloth, I shall engage you, sir, in the deadly masculine pugilistic art of fistic combat! Why, I should certainly give you a drubbing befitting that of a dandified fop after a night of foul tomfoolery at the ye olde town saloon of sticking feathers in caps and deeming them macaroni!.

You're on! You're going to be the only sir the caring for outward apperance when I get done with the ruthless bashing I deliver to you! We're going to tango and I mean not that of fashionable people at a royal ball.

Boxed Ears · 02-20-2011, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tommygun711

Then you totally fucking failed at it

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Originally Posted by techks

You're on! You're going to be the only sir the caring for outerward apperance when I get done with the ruthless bashing I deliver to you! We're going to tango and I mean not that of fashionable people at a royal ball.

See above.

tommygun711 · 02-20-2011, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Boxed Ears

techks · 02-20-2011, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Boxed Ears

See above.

Yeah you'll be crying alright! lol jk

Titan1 · 02-20-2011, 02:24 PM

Joe's stronger workrate gives him a unanimous decision, possible late round stoppage over Jimmy.

Longhhorn71 · 02-20-2011, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tommygun711

The Young that befuddled and outpointed Ron Lyle vs the Frazier that beat Ali.

Who takes it?

How many rounds are they fighting?

Young could squeak out a SD 10 rd fight.

Frazier wins at 12 or 15 easily.

Vince Voltage · 02-20-2011, 03:49 PM

My, my...what a lively discourse! Boxed Ears is a hilarious and talented writer...I give him that, gladly. I don't agree with him that it's a "silly" match-up, but I can't say it's all that relevant either.

George Foreman, Ron Lyle, and Earnie Shavers are what used to be known as "stand-up punchers", highly dangerous but not particularly crafty in their attacks.

Frazier is a different animal, a swarmer, bobber/weaver type. He throws a high volume and wears you out through accumulated pain and exhaustion.

I think Il Duce is right on the money when he compares this to Frazier-Ellis. Jimmy would frustrate Joe for a few rounds, but I can't see a guy of questionable mental toughness lasting the distance, much less beating, the Joe Frazier who mauled Muhammed Ali for 15 rounds in '71. It's the wrong style for Young, as others noted, and Joe's will to win is so much stronger. Most likely a sustained beating for Young, that's all.

Bummy Davis · 02-21-2011, 12:34 AM

Frazier was different animal then the slow punchers like Lyle,Foreman etc., Frazier was a pressure fighter wrong style for Jimmy because Joe was active and went to the body and head well, still Jimmy would be competitive and land his share of punches on Joe, however Young did not have the power to hurt Joe...Frazier by a close UD over 12 and could get a ref stop (hard to do over Young) over 15 or a close UD

hussleman · 02-21-2011, 06:40 AM

This is not a mismatch for several reasons. Yes, most would favor Frazier in this match-up but to me Young has that Philly heart and skill to make this fight very compeative. Young, fought and drew with Shavers who hit just as hard if not harder than Frazier as well as Foreman, Lyle and Norton. I don't think Frazier could take out Young with one powerful shot. I like this match-up I have to got with Frazier by a close UD.

red cobra · 02-21-2011, 07:01 AM

I believe that however being on the short side of a points verdict, that Young would last 15 rounds with Frazier..Jimmy's creative negativity works against just about everyone except for the tireless Frazier..and going back in decades, perhaps Marciano as well..Frazier and Marciano never tired..never gave up or got discouraged..and would be content to hit whatever target was available, with swarming aggression. Yes...my man Jimmy would be in 100% survival mode, and he had the chin and wherewithall to survive to the final bell even against Frazier.

Stevie G · 02-21-2011, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by tommygun711

The Young that befuddled and outpointed Ron Lyle vs the Frazier that beat Ali.

Who takes it?

Joe scores a clear UD over Jimmy. A peak Frazier would find Young to be his third toughest opponent,though.

Foreman Hook · 02-21-2011, 07:34 AM

Joey Frazier by late KO

Jimmy troubles him for first 2 Rounds.

techks · 02-21-2011, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by red cobra

I believe that however being on the short side of a points verdict, that Young would last 15 rounds with Frazier..Jimmy's creative negativity works against just about everyone except for the tireless Frazier..and going back in decades, perhaps Marciano as well..Frazier and Marciano never tired..never gave up or got discouraged..and would be content to hit whatever target was available, with swarming aggression. Yes...my man Jimmy would be in 100% survival mode, and he had the chin and wherewithall to survive to the final bell even against Frazier.

I agree. Frazier isn't stopping Jimmy in the early rounds no way. He could possibly get a stoppage between roungds 10-15 but with Jimmy's smart spoiling I think he would go the distance with Frazier. People forget that they used to spar together and I know that's not pro but they still knew how the other man fought. They wouldn't take each other lightly like Holyfield did his former sparring partner Bowe(Bowe went with the motions during sparring but gave his all in the trilogy especially the first fight). Frazier actually thought highly of Young.

Bokaj · 02-21-2011, 04:44 PM

Just watched Young-Norton. How the F is this considered a robbery? Norton was the clear winner. I had him 9-5-1 (as had two of the judges). Several rounds were close and I wouldn't complain if someone wanted to give Young one or two more rounds than I did. But no way did he win more rounds than Norton, and the notion of this being a robbery is absolutely ridicolous.

I was a bit surprised that Norton outjabbed Young. Jimmy threw a lot of jabs, but hardly nothing on them. Very few scored effectively.

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02-20-2011, 03:49 PM	#38
Vince Voltage Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 886 vCash: 500	Re: Jimmy Young vs Joe Frazier Prime for Prime My, my...what a lively discourse! Boxed Ears is a hilarious and talented writer...I give him that, gladly. I don't agree with him that it's a "silly" match-up, but I can't say it's all that relevant either. George Foreman, Ron Lyle, and Earnie Shavers are what used to be known as "stand-up punchers", highly dangerous but not particularly crafty in their attacks. Frazier is a different animal, a swarmer, bobber/weaver type. He throws a high volume and wears you out through accumulated pain and exhaustion. I think Il Duce is right on the money when he compares this to Frazier-Ellis. Jimmy would frustrate Joe for a few rounds, but I can't see a guy of questionable mental toughness lasting the distance, much less beating, the Joe Frazier who mauled Muhammed Ali for 15 rounds in '71. It's the wrong style for Young, as others noted, and Joe's will to win is so much stronger. Most likely a sustained beating for Young, that's all.
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02-21-2011, 12:34 AM	#39
Bummy Davis Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New York Posts: 8,189 vCash: 1000	Re: Jimmy Young vs Joe Frazier Prime for Prime Frazier was different animal then the slow punchers like Lyle,Foreman etc., Frazier was a pressure fighter wrong style for Jimmy because Joe was active and went to the body and head well, still Jimmy would be competitive and land his share of punches on Joe, however Young did not have the power to hurt Joe...Frazier by a close UD over 12 and could get a ref stop (hard to do over Young) over 15 or a close UD
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02-21-2011, 06:40 AM	#40
hussleman Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The City! Posts: 3,273 vCash: 1000	Re: Jimmy Young vs Joe Frazier Prime for Prime This is not a mismatch for several reasons. Yes, most would favor Frazier in this match-up but to me Young has that Philly heart and skill to make this fight very compeative. Young, fought and drew with Shavers who hit just as hard if not harder than Frazier as well as Foreman, Lyle and Norton. I don't think Frazier could take out Young with one powerful shot. I like this match-up I have to got with Frazier by a close UD.
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red cobra P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Sea of Tranquility Posts: 22,204 vCash: 1000	Re: Jimmy Young vs Joe Frazier Prime for Prime I believe that however being on the short side of a points verdict, that Young would last 15 rounds with Frazier..Jimmy's creative negativity works against just about everyone except for the tireless Frazier..and going back in decades, perhaps Marciano as well..Frazier and Marciano never tired..never gave up or got discouraged..and would be content to hit whatever target was available, with swarming aggression. Yes...my man Jimmy would be in 100% survival mode, and he had the chin and wherewithall to survive to the final bell even against Frazier.
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02-21-2011, 04:44 PM	#45
Bokaj Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 12,312 vCash: 1000	Re: Jimmy Young vs Joe Frazier Prime for Prime Just watched Young-Norton. How the F is this considered a robbery? Norton was the clear winner. I had him 9-5-1 (as had two of the judges). Several rounds were close and I wouldn't complain if someone wanted to give Young one or two more rounds than I did. But no way did he win more rounds than Norton, and the notion of this being a robbery is absolutely ridicolous. I was a bit surprised that Norton outjabbed Young. Jimmy threw a lot of jabs, but hardly nothing on them. Very few scored effectively. Last edited by Bokaj; 02-21-2011 at 04:57 PM.
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