Who is the most recent heavyweight champion that these fighters could beat?

janitor · 02-21-2011, 04:31 PM

Who is the most recent heavyweight champion that these fighters would have a good chance against.

Lineal champions only.

Joh L Sullivan

Bob Fitzsimmons

Jim Jeffries

Tommy Burns

Jack Johnson

Sam Langford

Harry Greb

Jack Dempsey

Mickey Walker

Joe Louis

I expect some varied opinions!

RockysSplitNose · 02-21-2011, 04:47 PM

I'd definately go with John L. over Michael Moorer any day of the week for starters

janitor · 02-21-2011, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RockysSplitNose

I'd definately go with John L. over Michael Moorer any day of the week for starters

I am not sure that I would rule out John L beating Lennox Lewis.

Obviously my interpretation of his abilities is verry loose, but it is at least plausible.

choklab · 02-21-2011, 04:51 PM

off the top of my head...

Joh L Sullivan = leon spinks because he came forward. KO

Bob Fitzsimmons = moorer

Jim Jeffries= leon spinks, just like what gerrie coetzee did.

Tommy Burns=moorer

Jack Johnson= mike tyson (bonecrusher held him but jack would hold him and do something)

Sam Langford=old george foreman at least

Harry Greb= leon on points

Jack Dempsey= both klitchkos and a whole lot more

Mickey Walker =0

Joe Louis= both klitchkos and a whole lot more

janitor · 02-21-2011, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by choklab

off the top of my head...

Joh L Sullivan = leon spinks because he came forward. KO

Bob Fitzsimmons = moorer

Jim Jeffries= leon spinks, just like what gerrie coetzee did.

Tommy Burns=moorer

Jack Johnson= mike tyson (bonecrusher held him but jack would hold him and do something)

Sam Langford=old george foreman at least

Harry Greb= leon on points

Jack Dempsey= both klitchkos and a whole lot more

Mickey Walker =0

Joe Louis= both klitchkos and a whole lot more

Thanks for the reply and a couple of observations:

If Fitzsimmons and Burns are given a good shot at beating Moorer, then surely Sullivan and Jeffries have a chance?

If Mickey Walker held Jack Sharkey to a draw, then shouldn't he have a chance against some of the 30s champions and some weaker champions since?

choklab · 02-21-2011, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by janitor

Thanks for the reply and a couple of observations:

If Fitzsimmons and Burns are given a good shot at beating Moorer, then surely Sullivan and Jeffries have a chance?

Of course, it goes without saying. My only hesitation was that moorer could box, but then if old foreman catches him...second thoughts yes so would old tashy.

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Originally Posted by janitor

If Mickey Walker held Jack Sharkey to a draw, then shouldn't he have a chance against some of the 30s champions and some weaker champions since?

I considered this but felt beacuse walker beat sharkey in a non title fight this could have been a cold as oposed to hot sharkey, I know walker beat other good contenders at heavyweight but not by TKO or anything that could guarantee a win against a champion with it all on the line. his fight with schmeling was a bad match. Braddock is seen as weak by some but as an tired and rusty fighter he gave a peak louis holy hell in that losing effort.

Unforgiven · 02-21-2011, 05:20 PM

David Haye

janitor · 02-21-2011, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Unforgiven

David Haye

Not a champion.

Lineals only.

Vic-JofreBRASIL · 02-21-2011, 05:29 PM

Bob Fitzsimmons - M. Moorer, Buster Douglas....

Jim Jeffries- every fighter, except Holmes, both Klitschko, Lewis...

Tommy Burns - 0

Jack Johnson- Everybody

Sam Langford - Everybody, except both Klitschko, and Lewis

Harry Greb- Moorer

Jack Dempsey- Wlad, Moorer, Holyfield, many guys....many guys

Mickey Walker- 0

Joe Louis - Everybody

choklab · 02-21-2011, 05:41 PM

heres another way of asking the same thing, how many other lineals could shannon briggs beat?

janitor · 02-21-2011, 05:47 PM

Mickey Walker is getting little love here!

Chocklab has given a verry good explaination of his choice, but I think that Walker could slip through the cracks somwhere.

Vic-JofreBRASIL · 02-21-2011, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by janitor

Mickey Walker is getting little love here!

Chocklab has given a verry good explaination of his choice, but I think that Walker could slip through the cracks somwhere.

He could beat Patterson or Johannson.....maybe.....

anarci · 02-21-2011, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by choklab

off the top of my head...

Joh L Sullivan = leon spinks because he came forward. KO

Bob Fitzsimmons = moorer

Jim Jeffries= leon spinks, just like what gerrie coetzee did.

Tommy Burns=moorer

Jack Johnson= mike tyson (bonecrusher held him but jack would hold him and do something)

Sam Langford=old george foreman at least

Harry Greb= leon on points

Jack Dempsey= both klitchkos and a whole lot more

Mickey Walker =0

Joe Louis= both klitchkos and a whole lot more

Are you kidding? The Leon Spinks who beat Ali would mop the floor up with those dinosaurs who fought with the funny looking stance, and so would Michael Moorer. Greg and Sullivan would have gotten

I mean Tommy Burns beating Michael Moore??

Vic-JofreBRASIL · 02-21-2011, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by choklab

off the top of my head...

Joh L Sullivan = leon spinks because he came forward. KO

Bob Fitzsimmons = moorer

Jim Jeffries= leon spinks, just like what gerrie coetzee did.

Tommy Burns=moorer

Jack Johnson= mike tyson (bonecrusher held him but jack would hold him and do something)

Sam Langford=old george foreman at least

Harry Greb= leon on points

Jack Dempsey= both klitchkos and a whole lot more

Mickey Walker =0

Joe Louis= both klitchkos and a whole lot more

That´s a important detail.......Fighters from the past had real skills and could hurt the opponent in the clinch......The book “Art of infighting” by Frank Klaus shows that, add that the wrestling skills ,many fighters had that.....So, in my opinion, Tyson would be in trouble against Johnson........Just one example......

Mendoza · 02-21-2011, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by janitor

Who is the most recent heavyweight champion that these fighters would have a good chance against.

Lineal champions only.

Joh L Sullivan

Bob Fitzsimmons

Jim Jeffries

Tommy Burns

Jack Johnson

Sam Langford

Harry Greb

Jack Dempsey

Mickey Walker

Joe Louis

I expect some varied opinions!

Any big puncher can beat any lineal champ on a given night. Those who disagree do not understands heavyweight boxing. Not saying they would, I'm saying they could. So Sullivan, Fitzsimmons, Langford, Dempsey, and Louis could in theory win.

Greb and Johnson could out box the lesser more limited punchers at heavy such as Ingo, Spinks, Old Foreman, and Briggs. I also think Greb and Johnson could out point the following lineal champs post Louis: Walcott, Charles, Ingo, Spinks, Moorer, old Foreman, and Briggs.

I think Walker, and Burns would only have a shot at the worst of lot such as Spinks.

02-21-2011, 04:31 PM	#1
janitor P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 19,054 vCash: 1000	Who is the most recent heavyweight champion that these fighters could beat? Who is the most recent heavyweight champion that these fighters would have a good chance against. Lineal champions only. Joh L Sullivan Bob Fitzsimmons Jim Jeffries Tommy Burns Jack Johnson Sam Langford Harry Greb Jack Dempsey Mickey Walker Joe Louis I expect some varied opinions!
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RockysSplitNose Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: East Midlands in England Posts: 3,821 vCash: 1000	Re: Who is the most recent heavyweight champion that these fighters could beat? I'd definately go with John L. over Michael Moorer any day of the week for starters
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choklab Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: bad to the bone and sexy Posts: 3,953 vCash: 500	Re: Who is the most recent heavyweight champion that these fighters could beat? off the top of my head... Joh L Sullivan = leon spinks because he came forward. KO Bob Fitzsimmons = moorer Jim Jeffries= leon spinks, just like what gerrie coetzee did. Tommy Burns=moorer Jack Johnson= mike tyson (bonecrusher held him but jack would hold him and do something) Sam Langford=old george foreman at least Harry Greb= leon on points Jack Dempsey= both klitchkos and a whole lot more Mickey Walker =0 Joe Louis= both klitchkos and a whole lot more
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Vic-JofreBRASIL Vic East Side VIP Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Santos Posts: 13,841 vCash: 1166	Re: Who is the most recent heavyweight champion that these fighters could beat? Bob Fitzsimmons - M. Moorer, Buster Douglas.... Jim Jeffries- every fighter, except Holmes, both Klitschko, Lewis... Tommy Burns - 0 Jack Johnson- Everybody Sam Langford - Everybody, except both Klitschko, and Lewis Harry Greb- Moorer Jack Dempsey- Wlad, Moorer, Holyfield, many guys....many guys Mickey Walker- 0 Joe Louis - Everybody
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choklab Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: bad to the bone and sexy Posts: 3,953 vCash: 500	Re: Who is the most recent heavyweight champion that these fighters could beat? heres another way of asking the same thing, how many other lineals could shannon briggs beat?
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janitor P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 19,054 vCash: 1000	Re: Who is the most recent heavyweight champion that these fighters could beat? Mickey Walker is getting little love here! Chocklab has given a verry good explaination of his choice, but I think that Walker could slip through the cracks somwhere.
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