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Old 02-21-2011, 11:33 PM   #1
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I have never seen this before.



Hearns dominates Ali in a sparring match. Probably right before Ali's last match.


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Ouch at Hearns right that he lands on Ali
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Old 02-21-2011, 11:39 PM   #2
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I have never seen this before.



Hearns dominates Ali in a sparring match. Probably right before Ali's last match.


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Ouch at Hearns right that he lands on Ali
(I feel a little silly mentioning this since you probably know about what I'm gonna say)

Ali was known for having sparring sessions in which he did little to nothing. More often than not, he'd allow the other fighter to "pound" him. Or he'd clown the guy. Either or.

It was more of a cathartic exercise for Ali to do so.
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Old 02-21-2011, 11:44 PM   #3
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Thanks for posting, I've never seen it either.
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Old 02-21-2011, 11:52 PM   #4
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There's something I forgot to say, thank you. That's incredible footage.

Anybody have info on Jeff Stoudemire? I did the regular boxrec, and it looks like he was a known sparring partner with a mediocre record.
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Old 02-22-2011, 12:01 AM   #5
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Yea I know Ali is not really trying his best. But hes in real bad shape right there, definitely already affected by the parkinsons



But what I really like is how you see Hearns right hand snap Ali's head back like that. I also liked Ali's bolo uppercut at the beginning
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Old 02-22-2011, 12:03 AM   #6
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(I feel a little silly mentioning this since you probably know about what I'm gonna say)

Ali was known for having sparring sessions in which he did little to nothing. More often than not, he'd allow the other fighter to "pound" him. Or he'd clown the guy. Either or.

It was more of a cathartic exercise for Ali to do so.
Would this explain his condition today?
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Old 02-22-2011, 12:05 AM   #7
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Ali took a lot of punches in his career. He took a lot more than were necessary. And yes, there were times where he endured long term damage just training for fights, getting accustomed to the blows.


But it was more his parkinsons than anything. He would have had it without boxing.
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Old 02-22-2011, 12:07 AM   #8
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Ali took a lot of punches in his career. He took a lot more than were necessary. And yes, there were times where he endured long term damage just training for fights, getting accustomed to the blows.


But it was more his parkinsons than anything. He would have had it without boxing.
I've always been told that the punishment from boxing made his parkinsons worse?
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Would this explain his condition today?
Probably the Liston, Liston, Patterson, Patterson, Foreman, Norton, Norton, Norton, Chuvalo, Chuvalo, Holmes, Berbick, Spinks, Spinks, Ellis, B. Foster, M. Foster, Quarry, Quarry, Bugner, Bugner, Bonavena, Shavers, Mathis, Lyle, Cooper, Cooper, Williams, Terrell, Folley, Frazier, Frazier and Frazier lineup had more to do with it, but the sparring method couldn't have helped much either.
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yeah this is great footage. This was filmed right before his fight with berbick
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Old 02-22-2011, 12:16 AM   #11
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I've always been told that the punishment from boxing made his parkinsons worse?

It did accelerate the effects mildly, however boxing had nowhere near the effect on his current condition the way people today think.


Most boxers who have a career like Ali's, fighting all the big punchers he fought, yet not having a single scar on his face, do not normally show the "punch drunk" effects.

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The only "wear and tear" shown on his face is that from his disease.
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It did accelerate the effects mildly, however boxing had nowhere near the effect on his current condition the way people today think.
I know what you mean. I would have people tell me not to box when I was a kid citing, "Look at where The Greatest is now."
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Another way to tell, is by seeing how he started slurring his speech early on. While he was in his mid thirties.


You dont go punch drunk in your mid thirties
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I know what you mean. I would have people tell me not to box when I was a kid citing, "Look at where The Greatest is now."

Yup, and if you think about it, todays common pop culture idea of boxers becoming punch drunk has to do largely with Ali.


Doesnt Tyson seem....sharper if anything since retirement?
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Probably the Liston, Liston, Patterson, Patterson, Foreman, Norton, Norton, Norton, Chuvalo, Chuvalo, Holmes, Berbick, Spinks, Spinks, Ellis, B. Foster, M. Foster, Quarry, Quarry, Bugner, Bugner, Bonavena, Shavers, Mathis, Lyle, Cooper, Cooper, Williams, Terrell, Folley, Frazier, Frazier and Frazier lineup had more to do with it, but the sparring method couldn't have helped much either.
Yes, he did fight magnificent opposition, yet you have to wonder about the amount of damage accrued from sparring. Taking shots from Roy "Tiger" Williams can't be good for your health.

I mean shit, Frazier alone, that's enough damage to take any fighter out of the game (or lose a step there of).
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