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Old 11-16-2007, 06:14 PM   #16
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Tyson was 3 years past his prime by 1990, 9 years past ( plus prison) by 1996 and completely shot at 2000.

Great. Riddick Bowe had a two year prime too. Big deal.
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Old 11-16-2007, 06:17 PM   #17
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Agreed.

So where does Ali rate at heavyweight then?
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Old 11-16-2007, 06:17 PM   #18
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But cīmon, MDWC, I know I AM LEGEND is a big Tyson-fan and overrates him a bit, but you as a normal Ali- fan should agree, that everytime someone says something negative about Muhammad, he gets called a hater, itīs really hardcore with Ali...
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Old 11-16-2007, 06:18 PM   #19
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So where does Ali rate at heavyweight then?

Top 50.
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Old 11-16-2007, 06:18 PM   #20
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Doug jones and Cooper were robbed.



Irrelvent, tyson's defense and chin in his prime made him virtually impossible to knock down, his own juggernaut offense meant the fight was over before anyone could even check his chin. Tyson finishes what frazier and cooper started.


You make Bill1234 seem like he has an idea.
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Old 11-16-2007, 06:19 PM   #21
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Ali's the clear #1 for me. I want very badly top put Louis at 1. I don't like Ali. That's how i know i'm right, I guess.
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Old 11-16-2007, 06:20 PM   #22
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No, seriously, even the best (I have him at 2nd best HW ever) ever canīt be untouchable, everyone has/ had their weaknesses, but with Ali here on ESB itīs really almost funny...
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Old 11-16-2007, 06:22 PM   #23
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Well obviously, so are Louis, Holmes, Lewis, Marciano, Dempsey, etc. How high is the question.

Sarcasm.


1: Louis
2: Ali
3: Marciano
4: Jeffries
5: Lewis
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Old 11-16-2007, 06:22 PM   #24
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A peak Tyson has a chance to beat Ali. I have come to that conclusion having thought of the match a bit recently.

I could use the same logic on you that Ali would do what Quick Tillis did, just a lot better.


What he does with Tyson fights is look at Boxrec and go by the judge who scored it for Mike by the biggest margin. He does this all the time. Even as I type I'm thinking of delaying it, as he'll say 8-2 vs Tillis (because one judge had it that). Just like his "Tyson lost one round" vs Tucker and "Tyson won every round" (vs Thomas).
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Sarcasm.


1: Louis
2: Ali
3: Marciano
4: Jeffries
5: Lewis
Jeffries at #4? I got him at #6 and have always felt that might be a bit to high...where do you have Johnson? I see them as a matching pair.
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Old 11-16-2007, 06:25 PM   #26
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But cīmon, MDWC, I know I AM LEGEND is a big Tyson-fan and overrates him a bit, but you as a normal Ali- fan should agree, that everytime someone says something negative about Muhammad, he gets called a hater, itīs really hardcore with Ali...



You're right. The likes of Groove and CMC III are embarrassing.
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Old 11-16-2007, 06:25 PM   #27
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Jeffries at #4? I got him at #6 and have always felt that might be a bit to high...where do you have Johnson? I see them as a matching pair.

I donīt have a Top 15-list off-head, but I would say at 7th ca., and you?

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Old 11-16-2007, 06:26 PM   #28
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only a delusional tyson hater could score that fight anything less than 7-3 for tyson.

Like the two judges. Yeah, they voted 4 rounds for Tillis because he was such box-office gold.
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You're right. The likes of Groove and CMC III are embarrassing.

Yeah, thatīs what I mean...
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Old 11-16-2007, 06:27 PM   #30
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You forgot Bill1234.

I'm going to keep a running tally of times he mentions Holmes in threads totally unrealted to holmes.


I was talking Ali fans in that post. But Bill1234 is probably worse than you you're right.
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