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Old 11-16-2007, 08:11 PM   #46
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Rocky is defeneded every bit as much as Ali I think.

Mhmm, I donīt know. Just look here on ESB: Some here wrote, that Marciano would lose to SMW like Calzaghe or Mundine. A genius poster named Homicidal Hank said that every non shot +200 lbs black fighter would beat him, etc., I never read such things about Ali, so IMO with Muhammad itīs even worse...
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Old 11-16-2007, 08:11 PM   #47
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You´re now exactly like one of the posters MDWC mentioned. Just because I wrote, that some fans overact with him, and crank up the usual Ali- propaganda, doesn´t automatically mean that I don´t like him. The only thing I don´t like about Ali is, SOME of his nuthugging fans. Get it now? And to Marciano: 49-0-0, that´s all what it need to be said. He beat all challenges he had to fight, and he won always in spectacular fashion (never needed the judges, KO´d so many ranked fighters, etc.), he doesn´t need nuthugging (although there are also many like from every ATG- fighter)...
Thanks for proving my point.

I didn't defend Ali once, and I didn't have a go at Marciano. But look at what you reply with. And for the record, everyone knows you don't like Ali.
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Old 11-16-2007, 08:11 PM   #48
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I'm feeling the love for Kenny ****** MDWC


I'm a ****** Hugger and proud of it.



Back on the hugging subject. I don't want this one to unearth the beast that is Pepping It and Co, but posters that defend Duran for his 'no mas' has to be the height of all-time 'huggery' for me.*





* Running it close is CMC III scoring Ali a winner over Berbick.
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Old 11-16-2007, 08:12 PM   #49
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Thanks for proving my point.

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Old 11-16-2007, 08:13 PM   #50
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I'm a ****** Hugger and proud of it.



Back on the hugging subject. I don't want this one to unearth the beast that is Pepping It and Co, but posters that defend Duran for his 'no mas' has to be the height of all-time 'huggery' for me.*





* Running it close is CMC III scoring Ali a winner over Berbick.
He probably scored also the Ali- Holmes fight as a draw until the stoppage from Aliīs corner...
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Old 11-16-2007, 08:21 PM   #51
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Old 11-16-2007, 08:22 PM   #52
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Laugh better about your comment...
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Old 11-16-2007, 08:23 PM   #53
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No fighter is I wouldn't say. It depends on the quality of the posters posting. Guys in the General Forum would never dare bash Ali, SRR, etc because they think it would damage their credibility, and they don't know enough about them. People with more knowledge of fighters realize there is more to criticize.

But what most even here don't seem to realize is that once studied enough, every fighter can be criticized.
Well said!

I face this same problem when I expose the talented but vastly overrated Ray Leonard. The man didn't have anywhere near the career Ali had though he did his best to parallel his accomplishments although against different opponents.

People in the classic section go to great lengths to defend him, fabricating even and just plain lying through their teeth while ignoring the obvious flaws.

I mean just today, you had some nut trying to debate with me that leonard stalled his career until he could no longer contain the urge to return to the ring all the while ignoring the fact that Leonard made it public that he nearly quit after his first tough fight with Willie Rodriguez and had to be talked out of retiring following his loss to Duran.

i says to myself "who the hell does this moron think he's talking to and what's his point in trying to debate someone he knows is not only only smarter than himself but more knowledgable about the sport?"

This is the kind of the knowledge you were referring to that allows me to freely criticize leonard while the groupies like John Thomas who is constantly afraid to say anything unpopular, will never speak his true thoughts. He's a man pleaser and because of this he never has anything valuable to share. He just plays follow the leader every single day.

As for Ali, he isn't above reproach but there's one thing you can't say which is he never ducked anyone and he never waited for another fighter to dry up into a complete shell. His style didn't really impress me all that much though.
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Old 11-16-2007, 08:23 PM   #54
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I'm quite happy that that story is BS.


I have an interview from 1967 where Ali alludes to still having the medal. He described his future home as having a basement where he keeps all his "fight films, trophies and gold medal". But nothing to suggest he'd flung it. The river episode is not mentioned in Jose Torres' most fine Sting Like A Bee or in Larry Bornstein's 'effort' just called Ali either.
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Rooster: legend. Even as one of his foes I have to admit that.
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Laugh better about your comment...
I'm sorry that doesn't make sense.

I just find it funny that you replied with a defense of Marciano (after I didn't even say anything negative about him), after all of this talk by you of Ali "huggers" rushing to his defence at every opportunity. Hypocrit? Yes.
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Old 11-16-2007, 08:28 PM   #57
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I'm sorry that doesn't make sense.

I just find it funny that you replied with a defense of Marciano (after I didn't even say anything negative about him), after all of this talk by you of Ali "huggers" rushing to his defence at every opportunity. Hypocrit? Yes.

Donīt make you sillier than you perhaps are. You charged me indirectly as a Marciano- nuthugger, and I responded that his record speaks for itself...

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Old 11-16-2007, 08:31 PM   #58
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I have an interview from 1967 where Ali alludes to still having the medal. He described his future home as having a basement where he keeps all his "fight films, trophies and gold medal". But nothing to suggest he'd flung it. The river episode is not mentioned in Jose Torres' most fine Sting Like A Bee or in Larry Bornstein's 'effort' just called Ali either.
I'm pretty sure that he told Kram that he had "lost it" a long time ago. I belive that. If he still had it, that chick he's ended up with would have wheeled it out by now.

Joyce Carole Oats or whatever, she buys the original story hook, line and sinker, copy of angling time.
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Donīt make you sillier than you perhaps are.


I don't speak jibberish.

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You charged me indirectly as a Marciano- nuthugger, and I responded that his record speaks for itself...
I never implied you were a Marciano nuthugger, although I do think you are. I merely used Marciano as another example of a fighter with fans who immediately defend him at the first sign of criticism, which you subsequently substantiated.

Like I said. Hypocrit.

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Old 11-16-2007, 08:35 PM   #60
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I don't speak jibberish.



I never implied you were a Marciano nuthugger, although I do think you are. I merely used Marciano as another example of a fighter with fans who immediately defend him at the first sign of criticism, which you subsequently substantiated.

Like I said. Hypocrit.


OK, before you cry now, I apologize, I just do so if I wouldnīt have noticed your indirectly side blow...
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