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Old 02-27-2011, 01:21 PM   #1
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Did Jack Johnson benefit from being born at the right time? I have not seen this thread discussed.

I believe Johnson appears to have been born at the right time. He defeated not read for prime time greats in Langford, Jeanette, and McVey. Johnson did not have to face prime versions of Fitzsimmons, Jeffries, or Corbett either.

When Johnson was champion, there was no such thing as a mandatory. The color line ( although Johnson had big money offers to fight near prime and prime versions of Langford, Jeanette, and McVey ), was still in play, so he cruised though the least distinguished title reign of any great champion.

Is there some truth to this question, or not?

As far as I can tell the best live bodies that Johnson fought in their near prime or prime were Willard, Burns, Choynski, and Hart. Can we all agree here?
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Old 02-27-2011, 01:23 PM   #2
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can't this be said of the klitschko brothers too their dominance is because of the era
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Old 02-27-2011, 01:28 PM   #3
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can't this be said of the klitschko brothers too their dominance is because of the era
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Old 02-27-2011, 01:35 PM   #4
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Old 02-27-2011, 01:39 PM   #5
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ABSOLUTELY, Mendoza. This would've been destroyed by James Taylor in the seventies:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saqUmP0Pyos[/ame]
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Old 02-27-2011, 01:45 PM   #6
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can't this be said of the klitschko brothers too their dominance is because of the era
Unknown. The K-bros are very dominant, hardly ever losing a round. They bring a new blend of size, skills, power, and intelligence to the division, and in my opnion would simply be too much for many past all time greats. The K-bros will fight any age group out there, do not hide behind any color line for the most part do not pick on cruiser weights, or novices The Klitschko's never made their mark smashing washed up x champs such as Holyfield, Tyson, Moorer, Bowe, ect... Its an entirely different thread. Now, do you agree with me that Johnson benefited from being born at the right time or not?
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can't this be said of the klitschko brothers too their dominance is because of the era
the Klits aren't considered ATG greats yet they fight the best available which can't be said about JJ
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True dat.
Can't you even answer a completely legitimate thread without resorting to humor? You are welcome to make the con argument if you wish.
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Old 02-27-2011, 01:50 PM   #9
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the Klits aren't considered ATG greats yet they fight the best available which can't be said about JJ
that's true but they are still fighting and Johnson still fought better opposition then the klitschkos anyway the situation for Johnson was much different he was always looked at as a hero by many he didnt really fight everyone he could have because of all the hate and bullshit he faced there are probably people here that can explain it better but its not the same thing

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Unknown. The K-bros are very dominant, hardly ever losing a round. They bring a new blend of size, skills, power, and intelligence to the division, and in my opnion would simply be too much for many past all time greats. The K-bros will fight any age group out there, do not hide behind any color line for the most part do not pick on cruiser weights, or novices The Klitschko's never made their mark smashing washed up x champs such as Holyfield, Tyson, Moorer, Bowe, ect... Its an entirely different thread. Now, do you agree with me that Johnson benefited from being born at the right time or not?
I know you seem to have a grudge over Johnson for whatever reason but the facts are the Klitsckos are in the same situation facing washed up bums out of shape american men with no skills they be domiant but they simply would be facing different and better opposition and they wouldnt be the same at all
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mendoza just how many times did johnson fight jeannette
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Old 02-27-2011, 08:48 PM   #11
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mendoza just how many times did johnson fight jeannette
7?
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Did Jack Johnson benefit from being born at the right time? I have not seen this thread discussed.

I believe Johnson appears to have been born at the right time. He defeated not read for prime time greats in Langford, Jeanette, and McVey. Johnson did not have to face prime versions of Fitzsimmons, Jeffries, or Corbett either.

When Johnson was champion, there was no such thing as a mandatory. The color line ( although Johnson had big money offers to fight near prime and prime versions of Langford, Jeanette, and McVey ), was still in play, so he cruised though the least distinguished title reign of any great champion.

Is there some truth to this question, or not?

As far as I can tell the best live bodies that Johnson fought in their near prime or prime were Willard, Burns, Choynski, and Hart. Can we all agree here?
No truth whatever.
If Johnson had come along later, he would have been hailed as an all time great by every one .
Johnson, and his legacy took an unconsciable beating .purely because of his colour ,and the attitude of white America to a black man being the best boxer in the world.
To answer your question .
THE ABSOLUTE REVERSE IS TRUE
You are living proof that the situation has not entirely been eradicated.imo.
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Old 02-27-2011, 09:25 PM   #13
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that's true but they are still fighting and Johnson still fought better opposition
I thinks Chris Arreola would be beat several of Johnson's "best" defenses in one night.
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I thinks Chris Arreola would be beat several of Johnson's "best" defenses in one night.
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Old 02-27-2011, 10:07 PM   #15
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Of course he did. Lynch mobs threatening and coming for him before and after fights, crowd members and co. helping white hopes to their feet after Johnson knocks them down. Only having to chase the champion one lap around the planet to goad him into fighting. The ruling class and the oppressive race in the country at the time being completely against him.

Could'nt have come along at a better time. What an overrated fraudalent cherry picking hype job.
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