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Old 02-27-2011, 10:08 PM   #16
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I thinks Chris Arreola would be beat several of Johnson's "best" defenses in one night.
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Old 02-27-2011, 10:25 PM   #17
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Old 02-27-2011, 10:47 PM   #18
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No. Ol' Johnson fought stern comp. during his overall career, but his title reign in 1909 thru 1914 had a lall in quality heavies. It's kinda' a shame Jeff was too old in 1910 and Demps. was way too young and green in 1915...

I am still curious as to how the **** Johnson dropped a 20 round dec. to Hart in 1905... Hart was a marginal fighter at best and a lousy champion... Johnson in '05 should've KTFO of Hart...

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Old 02-27-2011, 10:57 PM   #19
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No. Ol' Johnson fought stern comp. during his overall career, but his title reign in 1909 thru 1914 had a lall in quality heavies. It's kinda' a shame Jeff was too old in 1910 and Demps. was way too young and green in 1915...

I am still curious as to how the **** Johnson dropped a 20 round dec. to Hart in 1905... Hart was a marginal fighter at best and a lousy champion... Johnson in '05 should've KTFO of Hart...

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My contention is that what was good at heavyweight pre-Dempsey does not hang post-1960. I'm sick of bending logic backwards to convince myself lil' Irish dandies like O'Brien, who drew with Johnson, would last 6 rounds in the biggest ring with any post-Liston top 10'er. Same for Hart, same for the footage available of Jeanette and McVea, for Burns... Sorry. And I am not saying they weren't good fighters in their own right and time, just the stye they fought at the size they fought in that division wouldn't translate.
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Old 02-28-2011, 12:28 AM   #20
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he was able to get away with molesting young white boys as payback for the negro race one of which was a young jack dempsey (boucher and klomptobn told me this so dont bite my head off)
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Old 02-28-2011, 12:35 AM   #21
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Yeah, Jake O'Brien and Flynn would be top competitors in today's HW division.

you guys are seriously delusional...
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Old 02-28-2011, 12:44 AM   #22
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You can say that about any champion. Jeffries came on right at the time Fitz and Corbett were on the slide. Dempsey came around when he could get away with avoiding names lik Langford and McVey. Even Joe Louis came around as Schmeling, Sharkey and even Braddock and Lewis had their best days behind them. That means its too uninteresting and generic.

Maybe the question you should really be asking is why you are so emotionally devoted to to try to tear down Jack Johnson's name irrationally. What has happened in your own experience to make that of such a paramount importance? Probably much more interesting and meaningful a question if you dare lol


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You can say that about any champion. Jeffries came on right at the time Fitz and Corbett were on the slide. Dempsey came around when he could get away with avoiding names lik Langford and McVey. Even Joe Louis came around as Schmeling, Sharkey and even Braddock and Lewis had their best days behind them. That means its too uninteresting and generic.

Maybe the question you should really be asking is why you are so emotionally devoted to to try to tear down Jack Johnson's name irrationally. What has happened in your own experience to make that of such a paramount importance? Probably much more interesting and meaningful a question if you dare lol


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What the hell? That was the most substantial post you've ever made that I've seen. Mendoza drug it out of you.
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Ray Robinson is lucky he never had to encounter a modern specimen like Kermit Cintron.
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Old 02-28-2011, 01:24 AM   #25
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Ray Robinson is lucky he never had to encounter a modern specimen like Kermit Cintron.
KC would "jump" all over Robinson. Would Robinson have but a clue as to how to deal with that? ...I think not.
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Old 02-28-2011, 01:27 AM   #26
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Yeah, Jake O'Brien and Flynn would be top competitors in today's HW division.

you guys are seriously delusional...
I'll take them over tubby cry and eat himself to sleep Aureola any day.
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Old 02-28-2011, 04:00 AM   #27
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7?

yeah and johnson won about 5 with a couple of draws and a single loss i think . i personally could not blame johnson for taking the view that another fight against the same opponent might well be (A) hard to sell and (B) rather hard to motivate one's self for
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Old 02-28-2011, 04:04 AM   #28
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Of course he did. Lynch mobs threatening and coming for him before and after fights, crowd members and co. helping white hopes to their feet after Johnson knocks them down. Only having to chase the champion one lap around the planet to goad him into fighting. The ruling class and the oppressive race in the country at the time being completely against him.

Could'nt have come along at a better time. What an overrated fraudalent cherry picking hype job.
so true. Johnson following his dream against all odds should be inspiring, even to Mendoza.
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Old 02-28-2011, 04:44 AM   #29
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the Klits aren't considered ATG greats yet they fight the best available which can't be said about JJ
Yea righhhhhhhhhht
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Old 02-28-2011, 04:46 AM   #30
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So whats the thread title, did Jack Johnson benefit from Jim Cowardly Jeffries running from him like a little girl? Well he probably made more money waiting for Jeffries to grow a pair, so yes
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