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Old 02-28-2011, 06:42 PM   #46
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The guy was fighting the best heavyweights in the world after his first few profesional fights and you get to call him a coward?

Get a reality check mate.
Fact is he ducked his standout challenger because, he said he," would not take a chance on losing his title to a black man, " what would you call that ,bravery?
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Old 02-28-2011, 06:56 PM   #47
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Fact is he ducked his standout challenger because, he said he," would not take a chance on losing his title to a black man, " what would you call that ,bravery?
Misguided principle.

The fact is that Jeffries had a harder early career than prety much any other heavyweight champion and whatever you can say against his resume no poster on this site is worthy to clean his spit bucket in boxing terms, much less criticise his bravery.

Jack Johnson ducked his standout challenger for a much longer period, but I would never question his courage.
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Old 02-28-2011, 07:49 PM   #48
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Misguided principle.

The fact is that Jeffries had a harder early career than prety much any other heavyweight champion and whatever you can say against his resume no poster on this site is worthy to clean his spit bucket in boxing terms, much less criticise his bravery.

Jack Johnson ducked his standout challenger for a much longer period, but I would never question his courage.
There are many kinds of courage ,and also cowardice.Jeffries was physically courageous , morally I don't think so.
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Old 02-28-2011, 08:41 PM   #49
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I know, i ask myself this question. He's not your average joe. The prescence of his posts come across with authority and seem to carry an official trademark. All i know is that ESB is a better place with him in it.
I'm 100% sure it's an alias of a regular Classic forum poster.

A mod could do an IP check.

I don't want to spoil the joke for everybody though.

If a mod could just PM me the info? Because curiosity is keeping this cat up at night, and might kill me. Because insomnia is now lethal.
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Old 02-28-2011, 08:48 PM   #50
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i seriously think eslubin is his own person. funnily enough i saw his videos before he ever joined while looking up jeffries sharkey
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Old 03-01-2011, 01:33 AM   #51
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Yea righhhhhhhhhht

it's not their fault my friend, that ***** Gaye refuses to sign the damn contract.
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Old 03-01-2011, 01:37 AM   #52
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I'll take them over tubby cry and eat himself to sleep Aureola any day.

yes swarmer....a 170ish middleweight from 1 century ago would beat a 250ish HW with good chin and good power.
There's a reason why we have weigh classes...and a 5ft.7 middleweight could do nothing against a 6ft.4 250lbs HW.
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Old 03-01-2011, 02:21 AM   #53
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eslubin I want you to make a video of Arreola vs. Jack Johnson in Fire Pro
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Old 03-01-2011, 06:09 AM   #54
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Mercer? Briggs?

Jack Johnson didn't lose too many rounds either.
False. Johnson lost plenty of rounds, including many to tier two types of heavies.
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Old 03-01-2011, 06:17 AM   #55
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My contention is that what was good at heavyweight pre-Dempsey does not hang post-1960. I'm sick of bending logic backwards to convince myself lil' Irish dandies like O'Brien, who drew with Johnson, would last 6 rounds in the biggest ring with any post-Liston top 10'er. Same for Hart, same for the footage available of Jeanette and McVea, for Burns... Sorry. And I am not saying they weren't good fighters in their own right and time, just the stye they fought at the size they fought in that division wouldn't translate.
I don't see anyone arguing with the facts I presented. To do so in this forum would be blasphemy.
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Old 03-01-2011, 06:56 AM   #56
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The guy was fighting the best heavyweights in the world after his first few profesional fights and you get to call him a coward?

Get a reality check mate.
Cowardice - lack of courage in facing danger, pain, or difficulty. By definition he can be called a coward
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Old 03-01-2011, 06:58 AM   #57
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Did Jack Johnson benefit from being born at the right time?
Only the Classic's resident memember of the Aryan Brotherhood would ask this. Lets see:

1. Forced to make his way because of his race in fighting the degrading battle royals - yes what a great time to be born in

2. Frozen out against the top white fighters because of his race for several years - yes born at the right time

3. The World Champion is allowed to duck him because of his race

4. In his biggest fight he is racially abused by the crowd

5. Chased out of the country and made a criminal because of his race, yep clearly born in the ideal historical time
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Old 03-01-2011, 07:06 AM   #58
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I don't see anyone arguing with the facts I presented. To do so in this forum would be blasphemy.
Delusions of divinity?
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Old 03-01-2011, 10:07 AM   #59
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Why he never fought Gunboat Smith?
Smith was for 2 years the top white HW and nr 1 contender with wins over the likes of langford Willard Morris and Moran; he also kayoed JJ in sparring.
If the public was so eager to see Johnson losing the title to a white man, why didn't the promoters make this fight happen?...after all Ed Gunboat was considered the white HW champion and made JJ look very bad in sparring
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Old 03-01-2011, 10:38 AM   #60
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Only the Classic's resident memember of the Aryan Brotherhood would ask this.
Classy.
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