Best chins ever, p4p

[Luigi1985]

What´s your, let´s say Top 20 in no order? Here´s mine:


Muhammad Ali
Marvin Hagler
George Chuvalo
Rocky Marciano
Harry Greb
Jake LaMotta
Tony Canzoneri
James Toney
Duilio Loi
Panama Al Brown
Charles Burley
Vito Antuofermo
Sam Langford
Oliver McCall
Randall Tex Cobb
Mike Gibbons
Freddie Miller
Dave Shade
Jack Britton
Kid Gavilan


Perhaps I forgot someone...

[McGrain]

Fine choices. I'd throw Jim Jeffries into the mix. From the modern bunch Calzaghe deserves a mention.

[apollack]

Ray Mercer. In his prime the guy had a rock solid jaw. Watch him take flush bombs from Cooper, Morrison, and Lewis.

[Luigi1985]

Originally Posted by McGrain

Fine choices. I'd throw Jim Jeffries into the mix. From the modern bunch Calzaghe deserves a mention.

Thanks. I thaught about both. But Jeffries faced almost only smaller men, that´s why I didn´t mention him in a p4p- list, where other fighters fought some weight classes above their natural weight and showed their iron chin, and with Calzaghe, well, if I would have made a Top 25-list, we would be in...

[Manassa]

Tier 1

Marvin Hagler
Jake LaMotta
Jose Napoles

Tier 2

Kid Gavilan
Carlos Monzon
Tony Canzoneri

Tier 3

Ray Robinson
Ray Leonard
Muhammad Ali

Tier 4

Emile Griffith
Ike Williams
Alexis Arguello

Tier 5

Willie Pep
Joe Louis
Harold Johnson

Those would be my above average ratings. As you can see, there are very fine lines between separations.

[Luigi1985]

Originally Posted by apollack

Ray Mercer. In his prime the guy had a rock solid jaw. Watch him take flush bombs from Cooper, Morrison, and Lewis.

I also thaught about him, same with Calzaghe...

but definitely a very good choice...

[McGrain]

Good work Manassa, I agre with Moore's high placing. Louis is to high though. What's your thinking there? Why is his chin better than, say, Mike Tyson's?

[Minotauro]

Henry Armstrong even Fritzie Zivic and Battling Nelson deserve a mention.

[JohnThomas1]

Monzon is surely tier 1.

[Manassa]

Originally Posted by McGrain

Good work Manassa, I agre with Moore's high placing. Louis is to high though. What's your thinking there? Why is his chin better than, say, Mike Tyson's?

Ah, but Tyson's chin is better than Louis'

I just removed Moore in place of Pep, although Moore stays in that tier.

I believe Louis was quite a durable fighter - more than his knockdown record would imply, at least. He was almost always up within a couple of seconds, and it took a hell of a battering for Schmeling & Marciano to take him out.

[red cobra]

Originally Posted by JohnThomas1

Monzon is surely tier 1.

I would think so, after 100+ fights and after reigning as middleweight champion for years and never having been stopped. That's tier one in my opinion.

[Manassa]

Originally Posted by JohnThomas1

Monzon is surely tier 1.

Not quite, a step below. Monzon was knocked down four times in his career to our knowledge and had his brains scrambled by a wicked Briscoe right - which is far more than Hagler had done to him. Monzon was tough as old boots and is only a hair behind, but a hair behind he is. You can argue that Napoles was floored three times in his career and was stopped - but he demonstrated an immense capacity for taking punishment in that loss to Monzon.

[Manassa]

Originally Posted by red cobra

I would think so, after 100+ fights and after reigning as middleweight champion for years and never having been stopped. That's tier one in my opinion.

Do not confuse 'chin' with 'survival skills, defence, determination and resistance to cuts.'

[UndisputedUK]

Chris Eubank, Steve Collins and Wayne Mcullough.

[McGrain]

Chris Eubank is a great shout. Good luck knocking Eubank out.

Which tear for Eubank Manassa?