Best chins ever, p4p - Page 3

Stonehands89 · 11-17-2007, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Manassa

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I missed that post. Rare, because usually I read the total thread before jumping in. Apologies for being a nuisance.

Allow me to be a more adept nuisance.

1. Hagler, in my estimation, and judging from our previous discussions, perhaps in yours too, belongs in a class by himself. He didn't just take monster shots, they almost always weren't even acknowledged. Guys who stop what they are doing or just take the punishment (Tex Cobb. Chuvalo. Almost every other celebrated iron-chin who ever stepped into the ring) -just don't compare to that.

2. I'm unclear on why Napoles is an elite here.

Dempsey1238 · 11-17-2007, 03:44 PM

The Toy Bulldog needs a mention.

Ross was never counted out in nearly 80 fights, and that includes the beat down he got from Armstrong.

Minotauro · 11-17-2007, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sthomas

A couple more: Chavez ,before he was washed up he walked through a lot of big bombs. How bout Camacho, 85 fights no KO losses, great survival skills.

I can't believe I forgot Chavez he truely had a great chin.

Manassa · 11-17-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Stonehands89

I'm unclear on why Napoles is an elite here.

He had a hell of a chin. Ever seen the Monzon fight?

My dinner with Conteh · 11-17-2007, 03:53 PM

After Seales lost to Hagler in 1974, Boxing Illustrated asked him did he want to fight Marv again, he said: "yes, but I'll box more next time. No use trying to knock this guy out, his head's made of rock".

My dinner with Conteh · 11-17-2007, 03:57 PM

As far as I know, Napoles was only legitimately floored in one bout: his TKO win over Carlos Hernandez.

Manassa · 11-17-2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by My dinner with Conteh

As far as I know, Napoles was only legitimately floored in one bout: his TKO win over Carlos Hernandez.

Same (Hernandez was a wicked puncher as well) - although I've heard a rumour he was floored in at least one more. Might have been by the poster Mantequilla.

My dinner with Conteh · 11-17-2007, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Manassa

Same (Hernandez was a wicked puncher as well) - although I've heard a rumour he was floored in at least one more. Might have been by the poster Mantequilla.

Well, he was given an official count against Stracey but that was a slip. Maybe Mantequilla has more info?

Manassa · 11-17-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by My dinner with Conteh

Well, he was given an official count against Stracey but that was a slip. Maybe Mantequilla has more info?

Wasn't that one, it was by someone else.

Stonehands89 · 11-17-2007, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Manassa

He had a hell of a chin. Ever seen the Monzon fight?

Sure did... and he took shots that rattled my teeth.

But he didn't see round 8.

Duran, slightly smaller than Jose, caught holy hell from Barkley who was arguably a bigger puncher than Monzon. And continued on. Barney Ross was never stopped and went down once against McClarnin and didn't even take the count. He survived Armstrong (although I suspect that there was an assist in that one)... damn near 80 fights.

Manassa · 11-17-2007, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Stonehands89

Sure did... and he took shots that rattled my teeth.

But he didn't see round 8.

Duran, slightly smaller than Jose, caught holy hell from Barkley who was arguably a bigger puncher than Monzon. And continued on. Barney Ross was never stopped and went down once against McClarnin and didn't even take the count. He survived Armstrong (although I suspect that there was an assist in that one)... damn near 80 fights.

In Napoles' defence...

... Dundee pulled him out because of the punishment he was taking (it was round seven he didn't see though, although technically he didn't see round eight either).

And you know 'the' hook Barkley landed on Duran? Napoles took several punches like that in the sixth round alone by Monzon. Without looking at the tape I can distinctly remember three one-two-threes to the head that started off the whole assault, and a massive right hand shortly after that landed flush as Napoles was backed to the ropes. And that was only a third of it, he took another load like that as well yet was still standing at the bell. I should imagine a more youthful Napoles would have handled it even better.

Also, McLarnin was a featherfist in comparison to Carlos Hernandez, who had a right hand like Tony DeMarco.

My dinner with Conteh · 11-17-2007, 04:20 PM

But Barkley didn't hit Duran as many times on the button in such a short period of time as Monzon did with Napoles. He tatooed his face non-stop for two consecutive rounds. Ange Dundee pulled him out because he couldn't see out of one eye.

Dempsey1238 · 11-17-2007, 04:31 PM

I have seen a good part of the fight with Armstrong, Ross did ok in the early part, before Armstrong just over swarm Ross, and started beating Ross around the ring. He did not let up. The film doesnt show Armstrong holding Ross up.

brownpimp88 · 11-17-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Luigi1985

What´s your, let´s say Top 20 in no order? Here´s mine:

Muhammad Ali
Marvin Hagler
George Chuvalo
Rocky Marciano
Harry Greb
Jake LaMotta
Tony Canzoneri
James Toney
Duilio Loi
Panama Al Brown
Charles Burley
Vito Antuofermo
Sam Langford
Oliver McCall
Randall Tex Cobb
Mike Gibbons
Freddie Miller
Dave Shade
Jack Britton
Kid Gavilan

Perhaps I forgot someone...

I would replace marciano with chavez and camacho, they both have better chins.

Luigi1985 · 11-17-2007, 05:51 PM

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I would replace marciano with chavez and camacho, they both have better chins.

Hard to say. But I agree that both, Camacho and JCC, would be also great choices.

11-17-2007, 03:44 PM	#32
Dempsey1238 Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,352 vCash: 1000	Re: Best chins ever, p4p The Toy Bulldog needs a mention. Ross was never counted out in nearly 80 fights, and that includes the beat down he got from Armstrong.
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11-17-2007, 03:53 PM	#35
My dinner with Conteh P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 21,599 vCash: 1000	Re: Best chins ever, p4p After Seales lost to Hagler in 1974, Boxing Illustrated asked him did he want to fight Marv again, he said: "yes, but I'll box more next time. No use trying to knock this guy out, his head's made of rock".
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11-17-2007, 03:57 PM	#36
My dinner with Conteh P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 21,599 vCash: 1000	Re: Best chins ever, p4p As far as I know, Napoles was only legitimately floored in one bout: his TKO win over Carlos Hernandez.
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11-17-2007, 04:20 PM	#42
My dinner with Conteh P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 21,599 vCash: 1000	Re: Best chins ever, p4p But Barkley didn't hit Duran as many times on the button in such a short period of time as Monzon did with Napoles. He tatooed his face non-stop for two consecutive rounds. Ange Dundee pulled him out because he couldn't see out of one eye.
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11-17-2007, 04:31 PM	#43
Dempsey1238 Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,352 vCash: 1000	Re: Best chins ever, p4p I have seen a good part of the fight with Armstrong, Ross did ok in the early part, before Armstrong just over swarm Ross, and started beating Ross around the ring. He did not let up. The film doesnt show Armstrong holding Ross up.
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