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Old 03-02-2011, 01:00 PM   #46
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ali was 29-0 or something before exile. he won title in 20th fight. marciano was 49-0 but didn't win title til 43rd fight. ali had more successful defences than marciano before exile. so to me marciano beat 20 more bums than ali. go figure.
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Old 03-02-2011, 01:11 PM   #47
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ali was 29-0 or something before exile. he won title in 20th fight. marciano was 49-0 but didn't win title til 43rd fight. ali had more successful defences than marciano before exile. so to me marciano beat 20 more bums than ali. go figure.

ALI had eleven milionaires bank roling a smooth run to the title, using a gold medle as a springboard goes a long way.

ali beat moore( drew his last fight), 19-3 lavorante (lost last fight), 21-3 jones (won 2 of last 6) and 27-8 cooper to get his shot.

marciano beat 37-0 Lastarza, 34-1 layne, 66-2 Louis (won last 10), and 81-3 (unbeaten in 6 years) mathews to get his shot. go figure.

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Old 03-02-2011, 01:22 PM   #48
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Ali would beat marciano. He is way to fast and slippery in 64-67.
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Old 03-02-2011, 01:33 PM   #49
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haha how many fights til he fought them? will we compare records - it's not even close. frazier, foreman, ali woulda stayed unbeaten v marciano's opponents. how many fights did charles lose before facing marciano. marciano ruined him - in his dreams - he was declining fast before he faced him. these guys were all at the end of their careers. frazier was peak so was foreman, norton and so on when ali fought them after an exile. marciano was a great but no highter than 5 on any good list.
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Old 03-02-2011, 01:52 PM   #50
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It is pretty obvious that Rocky wasn't the best heavyweight, but he has to go down
as the 'Greatest' overall.

Leaving the game undefeated, something no one else has accomplished.

It's more than what you do in the ring, it's also knowing when to leave, as your skills diminish, and you don't embarrass yourself.

Smart enough, not to be tempted by money.
Very few in that category.
Rocky Marciano
Joe Dimaggio
Sandy Koufax
i can see you're logic but i have to disagree........it ain't marciano's fault that the level of competion wasn't as great as for others.. but if you want to look at it from a neutral point of view.. you have to consider the level of opponents also..
and not only say hey he is unbeaten no one else is so he is the best..
personally i think THE GREATEST overall as you called it has to be ali.. a way better resume then the rock has..
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Old 03-02-2011, 02:02 PM   #51
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haha how many fights til he fought them? will we compare records - it's not even close. frazier, foreman, ali woulda stayed unbeaten v marciano's opponents. how many fights did charles lose before facing marciano. marciano ruined him - in his dreams - he was declining fast before he faced him. these guys were all at the end of their careers. frazier was peak so was foreman, norton and so on when ali fought them after an exile. marciano was a great but no highter than 5 on any good list.

Your shaming Ali with your ignorance!!!!

Get ****ed, bitchturd.
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Old 03-02-2011, 02:10 PM   #52
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frazier, foreman, ali woulda stayed unbeaten v marciano's opponents.
Then how come no other fighter in any weight class has done it in the past century?

There have been lots of great fighters who came along in weak eras, but still no lineal champion has ever matched the 49-0, or even the 0 during the 20th century.

You can't simply dismiss this acomplishment by citing the opposition being weak.
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Old 03-02-2011, 02:10 PM   #53
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truth hurts hey mongoose loser lol - ignorance - that's ironic haha. foreman was oncourse for marciano's record but he met someone.
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Old 03-02-2011, 02:14 PM   #54
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truth hurts hey loser lol - ignorance - that's ironic haha.
What truth? That Rocky was a busier fighter prior to winning the belt.

Ali 20 fights in his first 4 years prior to his title shot.
Marciano 40 fights in his first 4 years prior to his title shot.

Ali doesn't need bullshit strawmen arguments like this anyway, **** you for dragging him down with the lamest argument in the history of the boards. This Muhammad Ali and the best you can do..."uh, he only had 20 fights before his title shot."
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Old 03-02-2011, 02:18 PM   #55
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truth hurts hey mongoose loser lol - ignorance - that's ironic haha. foreman was oncourse for marciano's record but he met someone.
A washed up Ali he was heavily favored over? Jimmy ****ing Young perhaps?
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Old 03-02-2011, 03:22 PM   #56
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What truth? That Rocky was a busier fighter prior to winning the belt.

Ali 20 fights in his first 4 years prior to his title shot.
Marciano 40 fights in his first 4 years prior to his title shot.

Ali doesn't need bullshit strawmen arguments like this anyway, **** you for dragging him down with the lamest argument in the history of the boards. This Muhammad Ali and the best you can do..."uh, he only had 20 fights before his title shot."

A gold medel can do a lot to speed up your run to the title in less than 30 fights. Ask Patterson, DLH or Frazier, all won it in less than 30, and most didnt even hit 25 fights yet.
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Old 03-02-2011, 03:28 PM   #57
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ali had the chin,the speed and the stamina to beat marciano, but i pick rocky to beat holmes and lewis
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how many fights did charles lose before facing marciano. marciano ruined him - in his dreams - he was declining fast before he faced him. these guys were all at the end of their careers. .

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Old 03-02-2011, 05:01 PM   #59
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marciano was a great and had great wins and can be anything from 5 in an all-time list (i think he was great but not best of all-time) but the best fighters he fought weren't peak - louis, charles, walcott.
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Old 03-02-2011, 05:03 PM   #60
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Hes was a great fighter but not the best!
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