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View Poll Results: How Good was Angott's Win Over Pep, 1-10?
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Old 03-02-2011, 09:32 PM   #1
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Old 03-02-2011, 09:40 PM   #2
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Default Re: Angott UD10 Pep: Rate this victory, 1-10, please.

From what I've come to understand in past discussions regarding this fight, Pep actually started to do the better work as the fight wore on. Apparently Angott's mauling, clutching style gave him fits in the early goings, securing the early to mid rounds of the fight before Pep started to figure him out and get his own thing going. Strange, as I'd have figured it would've been the opposite, with Pep befuddling Angott early and perhaps Angott having the better of it down the stretch when his tactics would've began to take hold (no pun intended; Angott held a lot). Apparently it was a close fight on the cards, with The Clutch's early work securing the verdict on points. Given the nature of the fight, though, I don't think it'd be rash to assume Pep may well have gotten the verdict over 12 or 15.

It's a testament to Angott's incredibly consuming style and ability, but no real black mark on Pep all things considered.
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Old 03-02-2011, 10:42 PM   #4
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In other words, you don't care to rate it, 1-10? Yeah, I saw the cards were close, and I wonder what would've happened over 15, since, as you say, it would seem to make sense that Angott would be more effective down the stretch, even if it seemed the opposite had happened over 10. One thing I don't remember seeing that I'm also curious about is if this was considered a big fight at the time. Anybody know if this was the talk of the town or not? Was the victory celebrated at the time for Angott?
I saw Willie Pep beat lightweight Allie Stolz in 1943,two months before Pep lost a close 10 round to Sammy[the Clutch] Angott. Willie looked unbeatable
when I saw him beat the classy Stolz. But to lose a close decision to Angott
was no disgrace as Angott's style was DIFFICULT for the likes of such great
lightweights as Robinson, Ike williams, Beau Jack,Bob Montgomery...Angott was in your chest like crazy glue,and didn't give you punching room.
Not exciting too see was Angott, but very difficult to fight. Styles make fights and Angott,bigger and stronger than Pep,would always give Willie trouble.
No shame for Pep...
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Old 03-02-2011, 11:58 PM   #5
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Old 03-03-2011, 12:34 AM   #6
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Old 03-03-2011, 12:36 AM   #7
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Angott fought rather cleanly during the early rounds, beating Pep to the punch, countering him beautifully. Only after he suffered a cut eye in the 5th round he slowed down and did more holding and mauling. It wasn't quite Pep figuring Angott's style as the fight went on. Considering that Angott came out of retirement (due to bad hands) and was a 3-1 underdog, and Pep's undefeated record, it was somewhat of a shock to the spectators. So that's a 9 out of 10.
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Angott fought rather cleanly during the early rounds, beating Pep to the punch, countering him beautifully. Only after he suffered a cut eye in the 5th round he slowed down and did more holding and mauling. It wasn't quite Pep figuring Angott's style as the fight went on. Considering that Angott came out of retirement (due to bad hands) and was a 3-1 underdog, and Pep's undefeated record, it was somewhat of a shock to the spectators. So that's a 9 out of 10.
Interesting. Do you have many accounts of Angott's bouts? I know Zivic had more dimensions to his game than what most have come to believe of him, but I wasn't sure on Angott. It would seem both had quite underrated technical acumen. Is this a bout you're intending to display the reports of on your website?
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Old 03-03-2011, 02:04 AM   #10
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When March 19 comes, I'll see what I pick for my blog (only have Brooklyn Eagle of local reports, plus AP/UP/INS wires; besides I'm mostly picking fights that took place no later than 1922, as I have access to more sources for those times, than for 1923 on). And no, I don't have much on Angott, a report here and there, but not many.
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Old 03-03-2011, 03:32 AM   #11
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I tried to read as much as possible about fights I havent and probably will never see.

But especially from that era it is quite enjoyable because of the colourful language and various detailed reports that come from different reporters...some can be a little bias but it is still interesting to see how different reporters saw the same fight.

Regarding Angott-Pep one of the best lines I remember reading went something like Angott looked like he had been "injected with monkey glands" the way he fought early...never stopping, always punching, moving and chasing Pep down.
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I've always been intrigued by this fight...I give Angott a 10 for the accomplishment of being the first guy to hang a "L" on the great Pep. His style has always been described as "ugly", "awkward", as well as "negative"...he was a classic spoiler who imposed himself on Pep..and I admire the hell out of that!!
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Old 03-04-2011, 10:21 AM   #15
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I've always been intrigued by this fight...I give Angott a 10 for the accomplishment of being the first guy to hang a "L" on the great Pep. His style has always been described as "ugly", "awkward", as well as "negative"...he was a classic spoiler who imposed himself on Pep..and I admire the hell out of that!!
RC, a few points to make-
1-Willie Pep seemed unbeatable before he fought Angott in 1943.For the featherweight division, I mean. The reason Willie tackled Angott and Willie Joyce ,both lightweights, were for this reason. They both couldn't punch
much harder than some featherweights. I recall those days the great Pep
wisely avoiding the likes of Ike Williams, Beau Jack,Bob Montgomery,all
vicious punching lightweights, who might have stopped Pep. Willie knew his limitations.Willie also took on lightweight Paddy DeMarco,who was a light
punching Sammy Angott type, punch, maul and hold.
Ray Robinson,like Willie tackled a light punching lightheavyweight Joey Maxim,rather taking on an Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, Lloyd Marshall,all
who could possibly stop Robbie. So yes Pep and Robinson knew their
limitation. Wise choices on their parts...
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